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Uruk-Hai said:
If we really wanted to bash the transatlantic by the balls we would steer the conversation to icehockey instead. :shifty:

Cheers
Janne Nilsson
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Go for it Janne, you might as well wind up both North American countries at the same time. I don't mind sitting on the sidelines watching the entertainment, which just about sums up this thread anyway.
 
Please gentleman, not that. I love American sports, Especially the NFL..... come on you Vikings.:)..... Oh and the cheerleaders..... wahoooo.
oh dear... someone is in need of a cold shower.:LOL:

Malc
 
ChaosCossack said:
You want to piss off a a Canuck... take shots at hockey.
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Too easy...

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Ferris said:
Hi Brad,

Let us not go into the gun issue. Coming from across the pond we're bound to disagree on that one, no point discussing.
The thing is, you didn't answer the question :) Why is the discussion about some flag and not about the umptieth loonatic and how he got his guns?

I wouldn't be surprised if the gun lobby stirred up the flag thing, just to deflect attention. Pressure on gun ownership is mounting.

Cheers,
Adrian
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Actually, Adrian, there has been discussion about how he got his guns. And the issue of the flag flying at the state capital was reported before the murders took place. It was seized upon in the wake of the murders, as a root cause. Unfortunately, this monster long ago embarked on a track that was bound to end in violence against innocents. I'm waiting to hear more about his parents and their role in his upbringing. For one thing, I'd like to know how he dropped out of school in the 9th grade, which is around 15 years old for us, and nothing appears to have happened to him. In some communities, the local authorities are charging the parents for their kids' truancy, and throwing them in jail.

As far as how he got his guns is concerned, he acquired them illegally, so no amount of laws limiting ownership would have prevented him from getting them. As far as concealed-carry use goes, there have been studies that show an inverse relationship between the number of concealed-carry permits in a community and the frequency of criminal acts. Criminals are no dummies, and they go where they think they can get in and get out with as little fuss as possible. And again, they tend to acquire their weapons illegally, so again, passing new laws restricting gun ownership is not likely to have much impact on them.

And I disagree with your premise that just because I'm an American and you're not, that we are bound to disagree. I bet there are plenty of folks in the UK who wish they could defend themselves, too.

Prost!
Brad
 
tomifune said:
...Adrian, as far as I can establish, the gun(a Glock 45) was bought legally. The question is only about did his father give him the money for the gun or did he give him the gun for his birthday. I would like to point out that when the FBI published his picture, his Father and Uncle reported his identification which led to his fast capture.
This nutball here was not being treated (news so far) physciatrically.
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Thanks for that info, Bob. I thought he had stolen the pistol from his father's cabinet.
 
theBaron said:
Actually, Adrian, there has been discussion about how he got his guns. And the issue of the flag flying at the state capital was reported before the murders took place. It was seized upon in the wake of the murders, as a root cause. Unfortunately, this monster long ago embarked on a track that was bound to end in violence against innocents. I'm waiting to hear more about his parents and their role in his upbringing. For one thing, I'd like to know how he dropped out of school in the 9th grade, which is around 15 years old for us, and nothing appears to have happened to him. In some communities, the local authorities are charging the parents for their kids' truancy, and throwing them in jail.

As far as how he got his guns is concerned, he acquired them illegally, so no amount of laws limiting ownership would have prevented him from getting them. As far as concealed-carry use goes, there have been studies that show an inverse relationship between the number of concealed-carry permits in a community and the frequency of criminal acts. Criminals are no dummies, and they go where they think they can get in and get out with as little fuss as possible. And again, they tend to acquire their weapons illegally, so again, passing new laws restricting gun ownership is not likely to have much impact on them.

And I disagree with your premise that just because I'm an American and you're not, that we are bound to disagree. I bet there are plenty of folks in the UK who wish they could defend themselves, too.

Prost!
Brad
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Brad you don't need a gun to defend yourself in the uk , just grow up in Glasgow ! that will generally suffice :D
 
Brad you're absolutely right about gun laws not stopping criminals...
In Canada, gun laws are extremely strict, yet in the first half of this year, guns crimes in Toronto are triple what they were at the same time last year. Authorities are citing the fact that in the last few months, a number of criminals were released that had been picked up in sweeps a couple of years ago. Amazing!!!! 40 or 50 gangbangers are cut loose in February, March and within 3 months, the gun incidents skyrocket. How can that be??? I mean, guns are illegal here right? The three people shot in the last ten days here must have had the bullets thrown at them because owning guns is highly restricted and carrying guns is an absolute no-no. I'm sure none of the murders were committed with properly purchased and registered weapons... GUARANTEED!!!!!

Make all the laws you want and criminals will still get guns. Give me $100 and I'll have a throw away piece for you in an hour... a few bucks more and a little more time you'd be amazed at what's out there.

The answer is not to legislate the inanimate object but to severely punish those who use those weapons in the commitment of crimes. Make the sentence so huge that the idiots would think twice before they shoot someone for looking at them the wrong way.

Unfortunately, there's no way to legislate or deter a psychopath... If he couldn't get a gun, then a knife, a car, a bomb, hell a big stick... they'll get find a way to get their crazy out.

And on top of it all... a flag, or a song or a movie didn't make this guy commit this horror... he did it all on his own.

Colin
 
theBaron said:
Actually, Adrian, there has been discussion about how he got his guns. And the issue of the flag flying at the state capital was reported before the murders took place. It was seized upon in the wake of the murders, as a root cause. Unfortunately, this monster long ago embarked on a track that was bound to end in violence against innocents. I'm waiting to hear more about his parents and their role in his upbringing. For one thing, I'd like to know how he dropped out of school in the 9th grade, which is around 15 years old for us, and nothing appears to have happened to him. In some communities, the local authorities are charging the parents for their kids' truancy, and throwing them in jail.

As far as how he got his guns is concerned, he acquired them illegally, so no amount of laws limiting ownership would have prevented him from getting them. As far as concealed-carry use goes, there have been studies that show an inverse relationship between the number of concealed-carry permits in a community and the frequency of criminal acts. Criminals are no dummies, and they go where they think they can get in and get out with as little fuss as possible. And again, they tend to acquire their weapons illegally, so again, passing new laws restricting gun ownership is not likely to have much impact on them.

And I disagree with your premise that just because I'm an American and you're not, that we are bound to disagree. I bet there are plenty of folks in the UK who wish they could defend themselves, too.

Prost!
Brad
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Hi Brad,

It was my intention not to further lengthen the discussion on this subject, but now that you have taken the trouble to respond to my post it is only polite to thank you for that.
Thanks for enlightening me on some of the background of this tragic event. It's nothing other than that.
Whatever our opinions on the factors behind it, I am sure we agree on not wanting this to happen again.

Cheers,
Adrian
 
I should think that there are lots of us who have pretty good ideas about what should, or shouldn't be done about this sort of thing. The trouble is, nothing will change. The big money doesn't want change, that gets in the way of profits, the legal profession doesn't want change no money in it for the lawyers and the bleeding heart judges can't flaunt their "liberal" credentials if they've actually got to punish anybody, the politicians will cry over spilt milk and try to persuade us that they do want change but they're quite happy to go along with their officials who don't. There will be a lot of huffing and puffing and then life will go on as usual, except for the victims.
 
Where will this end,I have just read on the History Net it will never happen but some people want all Confederate memorials to be pulled down,this would leave Richmond empty.What next will Civil War artists like Don Troiani have to recall all their paintings and prints and paint out the offending flag or just supply a sticker to cover it so it can be viewed in private like porn.
 
Old Pete said:
Where will this end,I have just read on the History Net it will never happen but some people want all Confederate memorials to be pulled down,this would leave Richmond empty.What next will Civil War artists like Don Troiani have to recall all their paintings and prints and paint out the offending flag or just supply a sticker to cover it so it can be viewed in private like porn.
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That is simply too ridiculous for words. Learn from the past not eradicate it so the same mistakes get repeated. These people have no common sense at all.

Cheers

Huw
 

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