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yep Lou you betcha!
Looking to pull Larry this year with me...I think I have work sorta fenced around it, but with the gig Larry and I have, it might be a last minute thing too. I plan to make reservations at the Convention Center again this year...
Looking forward to the show big time! Hope to see you there!

Patrick
 
Excellent Lou, I look forward to it...
I'll book mine this week...thanks for the intel!

patrick
 
Slick attempt at changing the subject regarding eye decals. Bottom line, that's cheating in the "eyes" of many of us....period. And, btw,,, have you ever heard of the term, "dreaded pumpkin head disease".
 
About Archer Transfers: this is actually a respected name in aircraft modelling. Their transfers are superior to an ordinary transfer, they do extremely realistic "nose art" transfers for WWII bombers etc.


... hmmmm... cheating or not, I never enter competitions anyway, so I might give 'em a try for my own amusement....


These decals are an example of how we figure painters can put something to good use that was originally intended for our brethren the aircraft modellers.

Speaking about aircraft, I saw a movie starring Christian Slater and John Travolta about a B2 Spirit that crashed with a nuke on board - in the movie the codeword for a nuke on the loose is "broken arrow"..... :lol:
 
brokenarrow,
Clearly he runs in different circles than the "Chicago Gang", he has made no bones about decals and did not hide it.

"Chicago/Euro Style" is not the end all/be all of miniatures, if you cannot look beyond the "Chicago/Euro Style" and acknowledge techniques that differ, sadly, planetFigure is not for you.

It is not your viewpoint that prompts this, it is your tact.
 
I will preface by stating that I have never used decals in figure modeling. I didn't use decals as a 2D illustrator so I guess I got in the habit of doing everything the hard way

Personally, I like to see how people use their talent to paint difficult things with a consistency of verisimilitude (i.e. if niney-nine percent is done with a brush why not go whole hog and do all of it that way?)

I remember in my younger years as an artist people asking me if I drew my work "freehand." I frankly never really knew what they meant by that until I asked one of my interlocoteurs once What they meant. What they meant was: did I do it without "tracing." The other question I would get was did I draw from memory.

Now I will let you all in on a little secret, all artists or illustrators worth their salt spend countless hours drawing the same things over and over and over, year after year in perfecting their craft. Just as a pianist will practice scales ad naseum. The idea is to get to the point where you can draw anything, from any angle, in any setting, in any media.

HOWEVER, Norman Rockwell, Don Troiani and countless other illustrators and artists have used tools like the camera lucida, photography and/or opaque projectors to assist them in their compositions.

A purist might also call this cheating.
 
As a matter of fact, purists also always find someone else 'purer' than themselves. :lol:

The 'old school' painters who used to ground their own pigments called the younger artists 'cheaters' because they made use of the newly-invented tube paints and therefore could go and paint outdoors. And therefore became the first Impressionists!

Q.
 
Originally posted by Lou Masses@Feb 18 2004, 03:54 PM
Who/what exactly is the "Chicago Gang-Chicago/Euro Gang"?
A fair share of the acronymized number of clubs. There exists a good number of conventional and unconvetional miniaturists that have never walked with any of the said clubs (I am one, not by choice, but merely years ago not cognizant of their existance.)

Having said that, I am aware of 'rules' and 'judging' and other strictures among competitions and shows. I/we have no problem with that, just leave it at your club. Granted, there is not any IPMS "umbrella" connecting the acronymized clubs and orgs, and I was once an IPMS member years back when I was plane building, and see many parallels.

My point being, there is a world outside of rules and strictures of organized clubs and though they may seem different, unconventional and non-traditional it does not lessen their efforts or possibilities.

Not everone that is a member of planetFigure is a member of an organized club, not everyone here builds/sculpts/paints 54mm-120mm or of historical military miniature genre. PlanetFigures members are not required to follow any code, rules, guidlines as for as their compositions/scupltures go.

PlanetFigure strives to include all walks of miniatures. We are all working in our 'art' and everyone should respect the "there is no 'right' way". Failing to do so will only be dissappointing, as clearly it is already to some.

~gordy
 
Greetings,

I very rarely make comments other than to comment about someones work or project they are working on. Because of being a planetfigure staff and monitoring every posting made in the planetfigure, I leave the Politics to gordy. We are in contact daily by msn messenger and quite often discuss one area or another behind the scenes so to speak, about the planet. And what it needs to be the place it has grown to and become. I am very protective of the planet and its members and what we stand for…….everything figure…….

Many of you don’t remember the fads that have come and gone over the years. How everyone rushed to “Paint In Oils†and everyone pressured me to “Switch to the Tubeâ€. Then came the fad and everyone switched to acrylics! It was and still is my choice, as it is in every aspect of this hobby. I was painting figures in all acrylics and taking home golds back in 1981, long before the new acrylics came on the market. I have read hundreds of new and revelutionary techniques that have come into this hobby in the 32 years I have been doing this. I take a little from this and a little from that……and guess what?……It all combines and my style is born and created. I use acrylics……..I use oils…….I use enamels……I use water colors………I use colored pencils……..and if crayons would help me achieve a desired effect………I would use them too! Why do people think that there is “Only One Way†that you can paint military Miniatures. If we have 200 members that actively paint………then we have 200 different styles and techniques as well. A couple of months before planet figure was born, Lou Masses told me of a way to paint Lace. I tried it and like it better than my old way and now have adopted this technique for myself.

Along comes a member who has shown us his super ability to paint figures of all kinds. Historical, fantasy, garage kits and figures I have never seen. I like and admire most of his work and some I don'’ care for. This is my right as an individual person. I await his book to also capture part of what he is doing and involve it into “my styleâ€. If I gain only one thing from reading it, then it has been worth the price to pay. A lot of you don’t remember Henri Lions and a book he published years ago called “My Wayâ€. It was Henri’s way of painting which I still have and refer to as I will Alex’s book when it comes out. After I read Alex’s book, it will go on the shelf with Henri’s book and Bob Knee’s book, Shep Payne’s book, and Stan Catchpools book too. For I take my technique from all of them and they are my references. Am I going to dump all my paints and books after Alex’s book comes out. No……neither will you.

Last but not least we have here on pf, a unique forum that can not be compared to anywhere in the world. Can you find the diversity of content, examples of work by our own members, in other forums. I am active in 9 forums in 4 languages and this is the only forum that has “Everything Figureâ€. We have many different languages to offer our members so that they can be comfortable reading the articles that we write, ……..our postings are those articles.

guy
 
Guy,

That was truly one of the best, most inspiring notes I have ever read. Nothing ever truer. As I posted on another thread however, I think the current agitation/controversy is based on how the content is presented. I don't think the actual content is the issue. I have Henri's book, I too have all the other books and you are absolutely correct in saying your own style comes from little bits here and there-but none of the authors have ever made the claims that Alex has - hence opening up the door for questioning, criticism, and in some cases ridicule. Is he trying to help?-Probably, Does he have some talent?-Definately, Can we learn from him?-Absolutely. Do we buy the "years of perfecting my craft" stuff or "It will change the way you paint figures"?- No.

Gordy,

THanks for clarifying. It is what I suspected you meant. You're right, there is no "right" way. But there are wrong ones. We're not talking philosphy, at the end of the day we're talking technical skill. Skill that is developed and when combined with artistry and creativity, can lead to magic.
 
You Know

I really love this place, I visit many times a day, I am not happy in all its way but I one member outta 200+.

I think Gordy and the PF Staff do a fantastic Job and have spoke to them on MSN and find all to be great people too.

I would like to add to Lous post by saying I too have never read a better post than Guy's.

My hat is off to you my friend

Robin
 
L. Masses said: there is no "right" way. But there are wrong ones.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Reminds me of the welcome words I got when I entered my first piece (PM's Sailor Malan) in a figure modelling club contest in Brussels, many, many moons ago.

The exact words were: "This is not the proper way to paint a figure". The same perceptive and helpful people also added: "Honestly, you should stick to IPMS and build airplanes" :

I cannot thank these guys enough for making me persevere!

Q.
 
Originally posted by quang@Feb 19 2004, 04:33 AM


The exact words were: "This is not the proper way to paint a figure".
Oh, what a narrow minded, insensitive, arrogant cretin to say that to you. Well, I think you have exacted the perfect revenge by becoming one of the best sculptors around who is a wellspring of good advice as dsmonstrated on this board on many occassions.

You are pretty cool, Quang (y)
 
Thanks, Bob (y)

Actually, they didn't have harmful intent and I've met with much tougher opposition than that (I was in advertising, remember?).

Somehow the words stuck and I cannot confront a newbie or someone seeking advice without thinking of it. That would explain why I feel so comfortable here.
 
Wow I have heard it all now. Decal eyes today, tartan paint tomorrow.
 
Hardy,

That's old news There is (was ) a brush manufacturer in Texas producing tartan painting brush ( actually the line also included Herring bone twill pattern brush ). That had been discussed in HM Forum. I think Amigo Petey or Paul Kelley has got the address.

vince
 
For real Vince? I am continually amazed by technology and Im still in my 20's!!! How could you judge a figure with decal eyes, painted with a gizmo?
 
Quang : my first piece (PM's Sailor Malan)


.... I remember you telling me that it was your first figure, this was at a show in the halls of the army museum at the Cinquantenaire .... we then talked for a while about that legendary South-African pilot...Did I ever mention that I have a book about the man? ;) YW to borrow it from me if you like.
 
Originally posted by Hardy@Feb 19 2004, 02:20 PM
For real Vince? I am continually amazed by technology and Im still in my 20's!!! How could you judge a figure with decal eyes, painted with a gizmo? ?:
Hardy, I wish I am still at your age ;) Flankly, I have problem juding a figure from a 8 -bit image ;) That need a lot of stress for my old brain to link all the pixels together to recreate the proper image, hope ya know what I mean, I bet Bob and Quang does!

vinnie
 
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