Sas Sgt Jailed

[Jimbo]

So Gaudin, what is YOUR military history? Do you have any idea of which you speak concerning the Sergeant or are you just another liberal parroting the party line? I am sick to death of those who have been protected by those who serve expecting the servicemen to be treated like every other idiot on the planet. No one wants to see gun violence anywhere, but sticking up for that judge shows that you are part of the problem. These guys have an experience base that DEMANDS a bit of consideration. DAMN ONE GLOCK being a threat. Take his damned weapon away and tell him "bad soldier, think next time". The military ain't corporate. You don't want guns on your streets--again no one does--DON'T OWN ONE. JC on a crutch but the lily-livered get more air time than a platoon of SAS WHO HAVE DONE THE JOB. Excuse me but I have to go puke.

Well said Steve,

The SAS guy is no "nut with a gun" I just hope public opinion helps to get him cleared and released from clink and returned to his rightful post asap..... the justice system is total crap in the U.K. and I think that if anybody should be given a court marshall it should be the bloody Judge!
Jim

 

[sd0324]

Serious question here,not trying to hijack this thread,but I want to ask. Do you guys in the U.K. really feel safer and more secure not being allowed to own firearms? I am very curious about this.

 

[geaugan]

Your going to wish he had his Glock when Napoleon's invasion forces hit your beaches At least that's our argument here in the States.

 

[JonG]

Serious question here,not trying to hijack this thread,but I want to ask. Do you guys in the U.K. really feel safer and more secure not being allowed to own firearms? I am very curious about this.

Whom would we need to defend ourselves against with a gun?
If you have an issue with someone, a good all straight up fist fight will usually suffice.And no, I am not joking.If we could all pop down the high street and pick up a 9mm or a 50.cal Barrat like you can over there.....Yeah no thanks.
Most firearms over here are reworked air pistols, or shot guns.Which are usually stolen due to break ins in farms etc.
Plus we just ain't afraid of each other as much as everyone else.

 

[sd0324]

Whom would we need to defend ourselves against with a gun?
If you have an issue with someone, a good all straight up fist fight will usually suffice.And no, I am not joking.If we could all pop down the high street and pick up a 9mm or a 50.cal Barrat like you can over there.....Yeah no thanks.
Most firearms over here are reworked air pistols, or shot guns.Which are usually stolen due to break ins in farms etc.
Plus we just ain't afraid of each other as much as everyone else.

I am surprised you would think that is how we settle disputes here.

 

[JonG]

No, I am just saying, thats how it would be here.
You don't see gun crime here, but knife crime.And thats bad enough, but throw in the majority legally able to own a firearm, then we would be in a much more worse state then we are now.
Guns for us would bring many, many more issues then we already have.

And for us, when one person goes and murders a group of kids with pistols, then thats enough for us to say no thanks to them.
To us, they just bring more of a problem then a solution.

 

[sd0324]

No, I am just saying, thats how it would be here.
You don't see gun crime here, but knife crime.And thats bad enough, but throw in the majority legally able to own a firearm, then we would be in a much more worse state then we are now.
Guns for us would bring many, many more issues then we already have.

And for us, when one person goes and murders a group of kids with pistols, then thats enough for us to say no thanks to them.
To us, they just bring more of a problem then a solution.

Wow,guess that answers my question.

 

[Colin_Fraser]

Interestingly, Britain has always been in much more real danger of invasion than anywhere in North America. Even in 1940 they didn't hand out fireams willy nilly to civvies. While they have armed police that's the exception and I understand only where warranted by the specific situation. Seems to work. I come from a British police family and some of my uncles didn't need to have a a gun to scare the sh*t out of you.

Colin

 

[sd0324]

Interestingly, Britain has always been in much more real danger of invasion than anywhere in North America. Even in 1940 they didn't hand out fireams willy nilly to civvies. While they have armed police that's the exception and I understand only where warranted by the specific situation. Seems to work. I come from a British police family and some of my uncles didn't need to have a a gun to scare the sh*t out of you.

Colin

In 1940 I do not think Britain had enough guns to "hand out to civvies",my Great Grandfather actually sent two Springfield rifles and two S&W revolvers to Britain for their defense during a drastic call for them. I would like them back since you guys do not want them! As for the police thing....here in rural Iowa the Sherriff makes no bones about the fact he is understaffed and it may be a long time til the Deputies can arrive to help. That is why he does not mind armed free citizens.

 

[Colin_Fraser]

In 1940 I do not think Britain had enough guns to "hand out to civvies",my Great Grandfather actually sent two Springfield rifles and two S&W revolvers to Britain for their defense during a drastic call for them. I would like them back since you guys do not want them! As for the police thing....here in rural Iowa the Sherriff makes no bones about the fact he is understaffed and it may be a long time til the Deputies can arrive to help. That is why he does not mind armed free citizens.

Not us guys. I'm up here in Canada where the sit is somewhere between the US and the UK. We have some gun crime but not a lot and stats are falling over the last few years. You will find vastly different views on arming the mob up here depending on where you live, with rural and western folks generally in favour and city dwellers generally against. We don't have anything in our constitution or a powerful NRA-type org either. Given I am first generation from a UK family, and I live an urban life style, I am more comfortable with keeping the weapons in the hands of the pros.

Colin

 

[Gaudin]

There is another factor to take into account - is readiness and ability to use a gun. Without experience/psychological conditioning/readiness to kill or injure, a normal sane sensible and law abiding person will think 10-15 times about should I shouldn't I, what will be the consequences, is it ok now, am I gonna go to jail etc (bare in mind that in UK self defence law + offensive weapons laws are a bit tricky - if you carry anything (even a pencil, stack of coins in a sock) that you INTEND to use as a weapon - in theory you can be prosecuted for having offensive weapon in public) ... By then, a yob will have stamped on his head several times and left laughing, because people like that tend to act then think, they respond to adrenaline and usually don't bother processing the consequences in the moment.
So if we had guns, people who will readily use them - will be kind of people who are already using them.

 

[colonnello kurz]

Very intresting,every country have is own "style" , i am from Switzerland and here with "Militia Army" every citizen is a soldier and for this every man (between 18-35 years) have is own army gun at home,is very easy to see a young soldier on the train with is gun going to serve the country for is 3 week every year,and until 2 years a go we have also a can (redbull size) of ammo to open in case of war ,but we dont see this gun like something for private defense,wen you finish the army you can also ask to keep the gun to use in the shooting range,here sport shooting is very popular like also hunting and is part of a long tradition,the sport shooting lobby is very powerfull,i shoot the first time 7 years old becose my granpa was a hunter,the big difference between USA and us is only a realy small ammount of the population have a gun for self defense,for this we have police and Army,here like GB is really rare gun crime the only problem with the army gun is lots of people use for suicide but this is a problem of stress not of guns.

I like guns but i am against the private defense ,this job have to be done just by the pro.

Sorry for my very bad english!!....

 

[Jimmy S]

The latest :

38 Degrees is forwarding this e-mail on from Sally Nightingale, the wife of Sergeant Danny Nightingale. So far, more than 70,000 38 Degrees members have signed the petition calling for Danny to be released (http://you.38degrees.org.uk/p/danny-nightingale). Read her message below:


Dear All,

I can't thank you enough for the support you’ve shown my husband, Sergeant Danny Nightingale. It means more than I can tell you that tens of thousands of people are standing with us to fight for his freedom. From the bottom of my heart - thank you.

On Thursday, I’ll be taking the petition we’ve all signed into court for Danny’s appeal. A crucial issue will be whether keeping Danny in jail is in the public interest - so our petition calling for his freedom, signed by so many thousands of people, will be vital for Danny’s case.

If we’re going to show the court that the public don’t want Danny in jail, we need as many signatures as possible on that petition by Thursday. It really could be what decides whether or not Danny comes home with me and our children in just two days' time. Every single signature counts.

Can you forward this e-mail to your friends and family now and help the petition grow ? You can also share this link on Facebook or Twitter (where we know lots of people are seeing it):
http://you.38degrees.org.uk/p/danny-nightingale

This could be our last chance to help Danny - even if you’ve already shared the petition with your friends and family, casting the net a little wider now could make all the difference. Right now, more than 70,000 of us have signed the petition - but Danny’s lawyers have said they think it will be a huge boost to his case if we can get it up to 100,000 signatures by the time they take it into court.

Please forward this e-mail now - and here’s the link to share on Facebook or Twitter:
http://you.38degrees.org.uk/p/danny-nightingale


Thank you so much for everything you’re doing to help Danny.

Sally Nightingale, Sergeant Danny Nightingale’s wife


P.S. If you’re in London and can make it along to show your support for Danny on Thursday that would be fantastic - 38 Degrees members will be handing me the petition to take into court outside the main entrance to the Royal Courts of Justice, on Fleet Street, at 11.15 am. Please come down if you can!

 

[old grumbler]

One of the first signs of oncoming tyranny is gun confiscation. Justice and the law are two distinctly different things now. All of Europe including the UK has switched to 'code napoleon' it's just that the populace hasn't been told. Like most of what has happened concerning the EU. I guess all you can do is be aware of this shit happening all around every day and stay vigilant. Dark days are surely ahead folks.

 

[sd0324]

One of the first signs of oncoming tyranny is gun confiscation. Justice and the law are two distinctly different things now. All of Europe including the UK has switched to 'code napoleon' it's just that the populace hasn't been told. Like most of what has happened concerning the EU. I guess all you can do is be aware of this shit happening all around every day and stay vigilant. Dark days are surely ahead folks.

Yes, you are so correct,....but as you can see in the posts earlier,your populace seems to feel "safer". I hope the best for the Sarge,but this is a symptom of what seems to be coming. (again)

 

[old grumbler]

Yes, you are so correct,....but as you can see in the posts earlier,your populace seems to feel "safer". I hope the best for the Sarge,but this is a symptom of what seems to be coming. (again)[/quote]
Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither, now who said that?

 

[Gaudin]

A certain quote from "Team America" song springs to mind...hard to resist.

 

[Helm]

Oh good lord

 

[DEL]

This is what makes for a healthy forum, an open expression of opinion without going over into direct offence and insult.
The BIG issue for me is the broader impact on his family. Judges apply more than a little degree of discression in respect of sentencing and on the face of it the collateral 'damage' caused by this sentence has disproportionately punished his wife and children. Compare the impact on society of the criminal actions of some bankers. How many of them were jailed and for the very few that did get custodial sentences what was the impact on their pensions, prospects, homes, honours etc.

 

[DEL]

A certain quote from "Team America" song springs to mind...hard to resist.

Gaudin you have said more than once in this thread that it was your last comment, pity you hadn't left it at that. Team America lyrics really?
Derek