Scottish broadsword hilt

[Luis R.]

I'm trying to sculpt a Scottish broadsword, but i've been unable so far to get a good looking hollow hilt. I've tryed adding Duro strips on a shaped wax-ball, cutting off the pattern from a soft, half cured and fully hard thin shell made of Duro, cutting the pattern on a flat sheet of lead foil and folding into shape...with no succes in any of the cases. Any more ideas?. Maybe a better solution: any 75mm scale broadsword I can use?

 

[mcsneed17]

first what century because it sounds like 17thcenturyor 18thcentury which is it?

 

[Luis R.]

Ooooops!. Sorry, I forgot to mention. Early 18th. Something like the one HERE

 

[Rafal_Z]

Hi Luis
guess you might find this post interesting:
http://www.chen-la.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=680

it's the last picture on the page

and in case you need it.... I use
worldlingo website translator
and the translation is ok

hope this helps though it might a bit tricky with the complicated design you're planning

 

[Einion]

I haven't done a basket hilt in this scale and being smaller it does present greater difficulty than in 1/16 but I think the easiest route to try is to make the lining around the hand and then form the 'wire' around it after it has hardened.

Originally posted by Luis R.@Oct 20 2005, 12:14 PM
I've tryed adding Duro strips on a shaped wax-ball...

This is definitely a good technique to use if you want it hollow, what went wrong?

Einion

 

[Luis R.]

This is definitely a good technique to use if you want it hollow, what went wrong?

Everything! :lol: I could not get straight, even strips, coud not make them stick to each other, etc. I would have liked an unlined hilt, but i think I'll follow your advice and try to sculpt it on the hand, lining first.
Thanks

 

[Einion]

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Everything! :lol: I could not get straight, even strips...[/b]

Well you have to tweak and adjust and trim and adjust... at least that's how I do it.

One way to get strips of even widths to start with is to wait for the putty to partly set (about an hour or so for GS) roll it out on flat surface and then cut a long strip, I use a single-edged razor for this kind of thing most often so I can push it straight down, not have to draw a knife across the putty which usually distorts it. These strips can then be cut to length and applied to the form with the tip of a sculpting tool. If you make them overlong you can blend the excess together a bit - even partly set the putty will have a tendency to squash when pushed into position - which should firmly adhere it to the adjacent strip and the existing parts of the hilt. Then make the perforations and finally trim the edges.

If when you're done you find the basket is a little delicate you can strengthen any joins that need it by just flowing in small drops of superglue; this isn't a great idea if you were sculpting a master but it's fine for a one-off.

<!--QuoteBegin-Luis R.@Oct 20 2005, 07:06 PM

...coud not make them stick to each other, etc. [/quote]
This part I don't get, Kneadatite is, if anything, a little too sticky so I can't imagine it not sticking to itself :lol:

Einion

 

[neill]

Originally posted by Luis R.@Oct 20 2005, 06:14 AM
I'm trying to sculpt a Scottish broadsword, but i've been unable so far to get a good looking hollow hilt. I've tryed adding Duro strips on a shaped wax-ball, cutting off the pattern from a soft, half cured and fully hard thin shell made of Duro, cutting the pattern on a flat sheet of lead foil and folding into shape...with no succes in any of the cases. Any more ideas?. Maybe a better solution: any 75mm scale broadsword I can use?

I have doen baskethilts by the Epoxy Putty Ribbon method you mentioned

And also by creating a soldi Basket in Plastic Styrene - Heated appropirate thickness and pushed soften plastic to create the basic shape. Next using pencil I drew teh basic pattern and cut out wtiih Exacto Knife, files & Dremel Tool. Addtional pieces were glued or attached with a Pyrog-Tool. here is the result in 1/8 Scale

Delicate work, but results worked well for me.

Neill

 

[fsdesimone]

Originally posted by Luis R.@Oct 20 2005, 02:06 PM

Everything! :lol: I could not get straight, even strips, coud not make them stick to each other, etc. I would have liked an unlined hilt, but i think I'll follow your advice and try to sculpt it on the hand, lining first.
Thanks

Hi Luis,

I did something similar when I was making my goalie mask: http://www.planetfigure.com/forums/index.p...opic=3163&st=45

Did you try scribing channels in the wax before applying the putty so it would have a guide?

Maybe you're trying to do too much in one sitting?

Einion described the procedure pretty well in his post I think. And Neill looks like he got excellent results with his procedure.

Francesca

 

[Luis R.]

Thanks to you all. I'll try again using a combination of your tips.