Should Politics And One Sided History Lessons Be Kept Out Of Innocent Pfigure Painting Threads ?

[ChaosCossack]

I say keep the political opinions out of the "miniatures" forums... vBench, Painting and Sculpting etc. I think these forums should be reserved for the discussion of technique and accuracy not the subject itself. Political discussions should be reserved for the Lounge where those keen on a debate can get into one if that is what they are looking for.

As for subject choice, paint what appeals to you for whatever reason it may appeal to you personally. Just do your best work you can on every figure.

The only caveat I can put out there is that everyone remember that they are posting on a public forum and lets try not to be insensitive in their posts or hurtful in their comments. A figure of an SS Officer having a smoke isn't offensive (It's a handsome uniform) but that same officer shooting a prisoner in the back of the head over a mass grave is in bad taste and may cause painful feelings to someone who is just looking to see some well painted figures.

Common sense should always prevail

Happy New Year

Colin

 

[DEL]

Political discussions should be reserved for the Lounge where those keen on a debate can get into one if that is what they are looking for.

As for subject choice, paint what appeals to you for whatever reason it may appeal to you personally. Just do your best work you can on every figure.

The only caveat I can put out there is that everyone remember that they are posting on a public forum and lets try not to be insensitive in their posts or hurtful in their comments.

Common sense should always prevail

Happy New Year

Colin

I've abbreviated your comments Colin to what are for me the 4 salient points each of which I'm in full agreement with

 

[Johan Kees]

I say keep the political opinions out of the "miniatures" forums... vBench, Painting and Sculpting etc. I think these forums should be reserved for the discussion of technique and accuracy not the subject itself. Political discussions should be reserved for the Lounge where those keen on a debate can get into one if that is what they are looking for.

As for subject choice, paint what appeals to you for whatever reason it may appeal to you personally. Just do your best work you can on every figure.

The only caveat I can put out there is that everyone remember that they are posting on a public forum and lets try not to be insensitive in their posts or hurtful in their comments. A figure of an SS Officer having a smoke isn't offensive (It's a handsome uniform) but that same officer shooting a prisoner in the back of the head over a mass grave is in bad taste and may cause painful feelings to someone who is just looking to see some well painted figures.

Common sense should always prevail

Happy New Year

Colin

Colin, I think this sums it up quite neatly...

A happy New Year to you too!

Jhan

 

[LVM]

I totally agree with colin.

Laurent

 

[Gaudin]

Coming late into discussion, but thought I will put my 5p in here.

I think that politics has a place in discussion about figure only if it helps us learn about the period in question or adds layer to the subject of someone's work.
It shouldnt be used as personal attack against individual, whatever their interest may be.

I am always curious to learn and I will admit I got curious about statements of CHe being a villain.
The reception of a good work however has been appauling in some instances and transformed into personal attack.

So either lets keep political discussions in a well designated barbed-wired area or use politics as a tool to learn and make it non personal in fugure threads.

Otherwise- Out

G

 

[stu]

Planet Figure,,,, the title says it all really

stuart

 

[Martin64]

Most of the members on this forum seem to be in the first place people with an interest for the sculpting and painting of miniatures. If somebody who puts his work on display does not ask for political or historical feedback I do not see a reason to highjack the thread by giving non-hobby-related feedback. If the regular feedback of certain members gets furthermore repeatedly insulting the moderators should maybe consider to take further steps but that`s not up to me - maybe I have to try out the ignore-function in the future.
What bothers me most is the attitude to judge people by what they build as a hobby or if they share a view about a person, unit, nation as a part of an axis of evil. Therefore I vote for "yes" and thank Carlos for bringing it up.
Let`s curb our dog(ma)s!
Happy new year and happy modelling!
Martin

 

[bagelman1952]

As this is a forum for the painting and sculpting of miniatures I see no place for political or ethical discussion regarding manufacturers or members work. There are a places for such discussion but they are certainly not here where we should be commenting on individual skills etc. It is unfortunate that discussions seem to get out of hand as soon as somebody expresses a personal view regarding the likeness of a figure to the person it is supposed to represent or making a perfectly innocuous comment that it is 'another German WW2' in an already flooded marketplace. In my view there are very few figures available that cannot be directly linked to some act of inhuman barbarism.

 

[brian]

I hope for the sake of the American soldiers in the picture he's not Pieper.This is the original statement i made which has contributed to the madness of this forum thread.I've know problems of a figure of Peiper just not my thing ,but if the diorama included American POW's then i would find that inappropriate as it would bring up the summary executions of POW's (yes Carlos summary execution is murder) .Peiper was a disgrace to soldiering IMO as was the troops he commanded but when it comes to figures i thought that Life miniatures bust of Peiper was a stunning sculpt and would have bought it if it had been a period i was interested in,but to use him in a diorama as in the original photograph, far to insensitive.Lets not forget gentlemen that the Nazis ( German) systematic slaughtering of human beings was unprecedented in world history and only 7 decades ago.

P.S. Che Chevara was a poor misguided fool with extreme left wing views who was looking for a war and got himself killed.His contribution to the world is he would have made a fortune off the royalties of T- Shirts if he had lived.I painted Andreas 54mm figure of him many moons ago,nice little figure.

Happy New Year to everyone

Brian

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[Carlos69]

Brian my point being SO WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!! Who cares Peipers this or that WHEN SOME POOR PAINTER WANTS FEADBACK ON HIS HER SCULPT/PAINT !!!!!!!!!

That's the reason for this thread ! If you want to VOICE YOUR OPINIONS on ALL the murderors and killers we paint go for ! KNOCK YOURSELF OUT ! ----- BUT DO IT ON ANOTHER THREAD !!!!!

Cocky ass comments about the POWs that lead to political views rows over yeah he did this he did that are not on in my view on honest painting posts.

This forum thread is not madness. I wanted to see what guys like YOU had to say ! I wanted to see if I was alone in me thinking enough is enough on threads wanting honest feadback and historical input ( not he murdered POWs as the only historical input )

The end of your post says it all Brian !

Ok I think It's safe to say the majority would prefer comments like Brian's and others OUT of honest threads !

Bare that in mind Brian the next time you open ya mouth and comment ....

Cheers !


HAPPY NEW YR !!

 

[sd0324]

Quit feeding the OP troll. Carlos,... you are really coming off rude in your own thread.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

 

[Carlos69]

Yes I'm a troll it's clear to see ...

I don't take it up the ass I'm afraid lying down. It was an honest thread started as I for one and seems not THAT ALONE in my thinking ...

Keep feading !

 

[Mark S]

."...This forum thread is not madness. I wanted to see what guys like YOU had to say !..."

I've gotta say I reckon your avatar says it all really......kill first, ask questions later.Who am I kidding, just kill first then slobber a bit.

 

[sd0324]

Yes I'm a troll it's clear to see ...

I don't take it up the ass I'm afraid lying down. It was an honest thread started as I for one and seems not THAT ALONE in my thinking ...

Keep feading !

Okay, I'll bite (feeding the troll) you are trolling,you started a thread asking opinions and when people disagree with yours,you insult them. So what if a few comments are made here and there,no big deal until you come along and make it one. Controversial subjects are gonna get a few comments. All part of it,but you have been rude to people for someone who was so hurt over comments made in other threads you are yourself being the same. And I know english may be your second language,but I think you mean what you are saying. Now,lighten up,Francis.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

 

[Richie]

Hi All,
My 2 banana's worth.........
If you like you like it paint it, if you like it sculpt it, whether niche or commercial, if you don't don't buy. Give it your best shot as I try to do in sculpting, assembly, painting and groundwork.
All I ask for in my post is constructive comments on the above to help improve my modelling skills and I try to reciprocate this only to others. I buy figures based on the pose, uniform or period in history and try to do justice to the figure and uniform irregardless of the acts done in history within that uniform. All I think is WOW that's a nice figure.
At the end of the day it's a hobby with a nice social side we all enjoy to unwind from the 9 to 5 grind.
Be considerate and constructive only in the modelling techiques. Anything else take to the lounge.
cheers
Richie

 

[DEL]

Perhaps this is a good point to end this......when the author of the thread feels the need to try and control the content If you want to VOICE YOUR OPINIONS on ALL the murderors and killers we paint go for ! KNOCK YOURSELF OUT ! ----- BUT DO IT ON ANOTHER THREAD !!!!! on what is an open forum, and by making personal remarks to posters none of whom appeared to personally criticise him, then something has gone badly wrong.

 

[Gaudin]

Yep. the horses bolted I am afraid.
Like with any other thread it still somehow comes as a shocking surprise that other people can disagree or not think same.

 

[Carlos69]

KEEP ON POSTING crap on Innocent threads that want critique rather than non related comments and half assed history lessons then ... : ) maybe one day some one will have the balls to say enough is enough !

The Horse has Bolted lol ! Unlike many I have a life ! It's pointless but atleast I say what I think ... You carry on with comments

 

[Tommi]

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Tommi