Uruk-Hai
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Isnt it important to be able to control your gun?
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Janne Nilsson
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Controversial! +13 A brilliant response to 'Anti Gun Control'.
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sd0324
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OK, so after watching that video a lot, I decided to disarm myself. It was hard, but I will be all right. This guy down the road named Achmed bought them, he seemed cool. I feel better now. Thank you fellows.
Steve
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Uruk-Hai
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Actually it was our colony to begin with, Les Aux Meadows?
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Langenberg
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If memory serves, you blokes have been having difficulties with knives in your country recently. How do you intend to eat your bangers in the morning once your parliment bans them?
Any gun, whether musket, machine gun or plasma rifle is inanimate. They are used or misused by a controlling human being. There is a long established prohibition against murder. It seems little impediment to those willing to violate it.
You see I believe I am capable of making decisions for myself. I may choose to be armed and I may choose not, but it is my RIGHT to choose. I am most certainly not inclined to give credence to the opinions of "celebrities" who play make believe for a living.
Any gun, whether musket, machine gun or plasma rifle is inanimate. They are used or misused by a controlling human being. There is a long established prohibition against murder. It seems little impediment to those willing to violate it.
You see I believe I am capable of making decisions for myself. I may choose to be armed and I may choose not, but it is my RIGHT to choose. I am most certainly not inclined to give credence to the opinions of "celebrities" who play make believe for a living.
Langenberg
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Fairly ordinary young man? Really?
If you are comfortable in your beliefs fine. I have no desire to change them. I expect the same courtesy from you. Therein lies the salient point.
If you are comfortable in your beliefs fine. I have no desire to change them. I expect the same courtesy from you. Therein lies the salient point.
DEL
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Where did I say anything about changing your views or anybody elses for that matter???? A bit over-defensive there.
The simple point is that the 'criminal' argument is as often as not, the go to position for the gun lobby. It is the act shooting that often criminalises the individual, by which point it's too late.
Fair point about Adam Lanza, but there are on reflection plenty others, he clearly had diagnosed but untreated psychological problems.
Untreated largely because of his mother refusing to allow treatment ........ and this woman had a gun collection in her house !!!!!!!
It appears to be the relatively easy access to guns that is at the root of the matter and not simply the psychology of the individual.
I know that a number of states have added more rigorous controls to their gun laws but surely there is a logic in applying more restrictive controls nationally, restricting type, and quantity of both firearms and ammunition. Thereafter individual states could then enhance the requirements locally.
But I bet you gave credence to those "celebrities" like Charlton Heston who were of the same mind eh?
Ron Tamburrini
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I was referring tot the Dunblane monster Hamilton
Point about any risk is if you remove the risk then tragedy will not happen , take away the RIGHT to own fire arms and you remove a huge part of the risk .
This is a big risk
a photo he wanted to put in his year book
Point about any risk is if you remove the risk then tragedy will not happen , take away the RIGHT to own fire arms and you remove a huge part of the risk .
This is a big risk
a photo he wanted to put in his year book
Langenberg
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I see this will turn into the inevitable cat fight.
There are those who accept personal responsibility, and some of the inherent risk associated with freedoms. There are others more comfortable abiding by their sovereign.
I choose the former.
There are those who accept personal responsibility, and some of the inherent risk associated with freedoms. There are others more comfortable abiding by their sovereign.
I choose the former.
DEL
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My post clearly referred to a different man, different continent, different decade.
Is it really lonely up there on your pedestal ?
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The NRA took this to the Supreme Court to have the preamble disregarded. The founding fathers knew what they were doing in allowing a militia to be armed, it is modern 'influences' that have chosen to misinterpret the Constitution.
Of course, people kill, weapons are but tools. A man with his hands or a hand held rock or bladed weapon might kill one person, but an individual with a modern firearm has the capacity to kill far more. Surely that is the issue, not just the right to bear arms, but the particular arms involved?
Mike
The NRA took this to the Supreme Court to have the preamble disregarded. The founding fathers knew what they were doing in allowing a militia to be armed, it is modern 'influences' that have chosen to misinterpret the Constitution.
Of course, people kill, weapons are but tools. A man with his hands or a hand held rock or bladed weapon might kill one person, but an individual with a modern firearm has the capacity to kill far more. Surely that is the issue, not just the right to bear arms, but the particular arms involved?
Mike
Ferris
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Time for some lightness.....
Ron Tamburrini
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I see this will turn into the inevitable cat fight.
Hopefully not as I am friends with the moderators .
Its nice to have a discussion while waiting on paint drying , and as my American daughter in-law points out ; we may speak a very similar language but we are a totally different race with different views , and she also reminded me that it was Europeans that killed most of the indians and not Americans
Hopefully not as I am friends with the moderators .
Its nice to have a discussion while waiting on paint drying , and as my American daughter in-law points out ; we may speak a very similar language but we are a totally different race with different views , and she also reminded me that it was Europeans that killed most of the indians and not Americans
Ferris
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About losing the colony....that first try at gun control didn't go well.... That love for guns clearly preceded the constitution...
billyturnip
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it was Europeans that killed most of the indians and not Americans
Wrong continent, that was the Indian Mutiny, 1857 but yes that is true and I believe those Europeans were mostly Scotsmen.
peedee
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There is no point discussing this any further guys.
The people who say it is their constitutional right to bear arms say It's to uphold democracy against a Tyranny.
So whilst everyone knows it's not ok to be a dick, and simple commonsense tells normal folks that mitigating disaster by legislating against it and limiting access to dangerous weaponry; Only people with blinkered views cannot see the point.....it's still their right. The fact that they are now in the minority....in a democracy reinforces their blinkered opinion using the contrary view of the democratic opinion of the majority as a potential tyranny.
This cannot change without legislation being imposed.
So in the meantime we can only remind people that it's not ok to be a dick knowing a dick can't listen.
I genuinely understand the views of both sides and write these few words knowing there is no justifyable argument against them and also that any reply will be simpley gainsay and rhetorical hot air.
What a sad world were we refuse to learn from the lessons
offered by incidents around us.
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Paul
The people who say it is their constitutional right to bear arms say It's to uphold democracy against a Tyranny.
So whilst everyone knows it's not ok to be a dick, and simple commonsense tells normal folks that mitigating disaster by legislating against it and limiting access to dangerous weaponry; Only people with blinkered views cannot see the point.....it's still their right. The fact that they are now in the minority....in a democracy reinforces their blinkered opinion using the contrary view of the democratic opinion of the majority as a potential tyranny.
This cannot change without legislation being imposed.
So in the meantime we can only remind people that it's not ok to be a dick knowing a dick can't listen.
I genuinely understand the views of both sides and write these few words knowing there is no justifyable argument against them and also that any reply will be simpley gainsay and rhetorical hot air.
What a sad world were we refuse to learn from the lessons
offered by incidents around us.
Happy modelling
Paul
billyturnip
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I've got my own views on the subject Steve but this isn't the place to air them nor would it make a difference so you got that instead.
billyturnip
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Europeans were mostly Scotsmen.
Oh yea , and I suppose they all had fekin red hair too
I thought they were all De da's
Red headed Scotsmen commanded by Englishmen, coz we can read an right.
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