Andrea cowboy - another transformation
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Dani A.
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Interesting... why not? Well, because of this:
Hola,
It is an interesting (if far-fetched) story, but it fails to account for the fact that the style of hat did not exist at that particular time, as period photos evidence. Maybe you should add a time-machine subplot somewhere, in order to cover for all the facts ;-)
Also, I would suspect you have made this up just to somehow try to justify the appearance of the figure, now that some doubts have been advanced about it (because you did not put forward this "explanation" in the first place). I mean, there's nothing wrong in just admitting you did not know nor care; it is better than insisting in that this figure could , somehow, be accurate, when it can not. No need to pretend it is a historical figure project.
I'm glad I have proven to be of some assistance regarding the Crimean figure authorship. :-D
Daniel
Hola,
It is an interesting (if far-fetched) story, but it fails to account for the fact that the style of hat did not exist at that particular time, as period photos evidence. Maybe you should add a time-machine subplot somewhere, in order to cover for all the facts ;-)
Also, I would suspect you have made this up just to somehow try to justify the appearance of the figure, now that some doubts have been advanced about it (because you did not put forward this "explanation" in the first place). I mean, there's nothing wrong in just admitting you did not know nor care; it is better than insisting in that this figure could , somehow, be accurate, when it can not. No need to pretend it is a historical figure project.
I'm glad I have proven to be of some assistance regarding the Crimean figure authorship. :-D
Daniel
Daniel,
In fact this is the history I told my friend some time ago in another Inet forums. This is not new and this is not a Will Bill contemporary man. But I am not going to expend more time on it because I must paint the figure and make the grounwork.
Thanks again,
Rafa
In fact this is the history I told my friend some time ago in another Inet forums. This is not new and this is not a Will Bill contemporary man. But I am not going to expend more time on it because I must paint the figure and make the grounwork.
Thanks again,
Rafa
Dani A.
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I beg your pardon; let's see...
Initially, in an earlier post, when some inaccuracies were mentioned, you said you were letting your imagination fly (and hence suggest this is not intended to be a historical figure).
Then you offer us a story which suppossedly does, indeed, back the figure as a legitimate historical subject, and which supposedly was behind the project since its very conception (BTW, could you please give us a link to that forum thread where the background story was discussed/created? No doubt it will be interesting, and enriching, reading about such creative processes).
When some doubts arise about the suitability of this story, because some elements still do not fit the era the original figure is set in, (as exposed by myself), you say in fact the figure is set in a different historical time, which supposedly would account for all the facts.
Even disregarding the inconsistences in the above reasoning sequence, I can not think of any time in history where the variegated wardrobe and complements the figure is sporting would make sense and fit your story. Could you please throw some light on this? I do not think this would take much time off your painting and groundwork sessions needs, and would be of use to those of us interested in the historical period concerned.
And it would nicely tie up any loose ends and you would be perfectly vindicated. Any overdue apologies on our part would follow, I'm certain! :-D
Thank you in advance,
Daniel
I beg your pardon; let's see...
Initially, in an earlier post, when some inaccuracies were mentioned, you said you were letting your imagination fly (and hence suggest this is not intended to be a historical figure).
Then you offer us a story which suppossedly does, indeed, back the figure as a legitimate historical subject, and which supposedly was behind the project since its very conception (BTW, could you please give us a link to that forum thread where the background story was discussed/created? No doubt it will be interesting, and enriching, reading about such creative processes).
When some doubts arise about the suitability of this story, because some elements still do not fit the era the original figure is set in, (as exposed by myself), you say in fact the figure is set in a different historical time, which supposedly would account for all the facts.
Even disregarding the inconsistences in the above reasoning sequence, I can not think of any time in history where the variegated wardrobe and complements the figure is sporting would make sense and fit your story. Could you please throw some light on this? I do not think this would take much time off your painting and groundwork sessions needs, and would be of use to those of us interested in the historical period concerned.
And it would nicely tie up any loose ends and you would be perfectly vindicated. Any overdue apologies on our part would follow, I'm certain! :-D
Thank you in advance,
Daniel
quang
A Fixture
A great, suspenseful story, Rafa!
It's not Wild Bill Hickok, it's Alfred Hitchcock!!!
Joking aside, I like Andrea's stock figure A LOT. It's one of their finest renditions of a historical character along with their sadly overlooked Crazy Horse foot figure. Recommended.
Cheers,
Quang
diosytexas
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hello rafael. interesting thread. as to wether one should alter a historic character model.(you pay's your money and you make your choice ).by changing the hat to what you can call a tom mix style hat, you make the figure a lot later in history. i get the impression that you were not trying to put a hat on wild bill that would not have been available at that time,but altering the figure into something else. may i say i think the hat and bandanna are nicely done.may i ask has anybody looked at a photo of bill wearing a holster and belt like that. bill wore two .36 navy colt cap and ball revolvers, towards the end of his life these were nickle plated with ivory grips which were kept in two california style holsters on a simple belt. early photo's show him wearing the two colts and a knife shoved into a belt with no holsters at all. so unless some one out there can help with a photo of him wearing this style of belt and holster, which was the original scuplt, the figure was wrong to start with. i saw the figure of the crimea guy in cammo!!! not my sort of thing but as with your work it was done well. as long as you do not call him wild bill when your finished i don't see a problem, if your enjoying it ''you knock your self out''. i will look foreward to seeing it painted. not in cammo i hope!!. dave.
Quang, Dave,
If I learned something here is that the hat and scarf does not mix with the original figure. I apologize if somebody (sorry Mike) is thinking that I wish to change the history or the Will Bill character. Of course I love the american history and I do not want to change it. I titled this thread "Andrea Cowboy" because I know that this cannot be Will Bill.
Perhaps the next time I'll try to do the things in another way but my only purpose is enjoy with my try and my version and share it with you (as another ACW and american figures that I painted in my VBENCH). Perhaps my english (not as good as I wish) doen not explain the facts in easy manner.
YES, the original figure is very nice. I tried some changes because here in my country exists a Inet forum with a lot figures with the original out of the box and I tried to do something different in my own figure.
I am sorry if somebody was offended by my POV in this figure.
Now...I'll continue to share with you the background and painting if you want.
Rafa
If I learned something here is that the hat and scarf does not mix with the original figure. I apologize if somebody (sorry Mike) is thinking that I wish to change the history or the Will Bill character. Of course I love the american history and I do not want to change it. I titled this thread "Andrea Cowboy" because I know that this cannot be Will Bill.
Perhaps the next time I'll try to do the things in another way but my only purpose is enjoy with my try and my version and share it with you (as another ACW and american figures that I painted in my VBENCH). Perhaps my english (not as good as I wish) doen not explain the facts in easy manner.
YES, the original figure is very nice. I tried some changes because here in my country exists a Inet forum with a lot figures with the original out of the box and I tried to do something different in my own figure.
I am sorry if somebody was offended by my POV in this figure.
Now...I'll continue to share with you the background and painting if you want.
Rafa
Hi Rafa,
dont take badly the POV of the others.
I think they try to help.
I understand your position. I had the same problem with my Soult version (see in my Vbench "Soult by Night").
I had so many disaprouving POV concerning my version that I had to say its a esercice of style instead.
But after few time I realised that they did not wrote all that to destabilize me, but to help me.
It's difficult first to admit and see it.
When I saw your convertion version, I saw an aberation between the hat-scarf and the city clothes.
BTW your sculpting is very good, I'm not able to do as good as you did.
I read the story of your cowboy loosing his dad
I did not imagine all that. I was thinking of a Guy with bad taste of fashion. lol !!!
But as long as you enjoy your hobby, you're free to keep going.
If we have to correct all the time historical abberations, we would have to burn lots of movies
JP
dont take badly the POV of the others.
I think they try to help.
I understand your position. I had the same problem with my Soult version (see in my Vbench "Soult by Night").
I had so many disaprouving POV concerning my version that I had to say its a esercice of style instead.
But after few time I realised that they did not wrote all that to destabilize me, but to help me.
It's difficult first to admit and see it.
When I saw your convertion version, I saw an aberation between the hat-scarf and the city clothes.
BTW your sculpting is very good, I'm not able to do as good as you did.
I read the story of your cowboy loosing his dad
I did not imagine all that. I was thinking of a Guy with bad taste of fashion. lol !!!
But as long as you enjoy your hobby, you're free to keep going.
If we have to correct all the time historical abberations, we would have to burn lots of movies
JP
megroot
A Fixture
Rafa,
I like this conversion. It is great to see somebody build up a figure that he really wanted to have and it is not for sale.
It is not always necessary to made a historically correct figure, it is not correct if you made it as it shood be (because somebody said) instead of making the figure you want..
So, i like the hat, i like that handkerchief. It make's something special to a figure.
Get up the brushes and let us all enjoy you painted figure.
marc
I like this conversion. It is great to see somebody build up a figure that he really wanted to have and it is not for sale.
It is not always necessary to made a historically correct figure, it is not correct if you made it as it shood be (because somebody said) instead of making the figure you want..
So, i like the hat, i like that handkerchief. It make's something special to a figure.
Get up the brushes and let us all enjoy you painted figure.
marc
Dani A.
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Misunderstanding
Hello,
Nobody is saying Rafa can not do whatever he wants to the figure; of course he can, and this is respectable, and his technical skills have been already recognized.
The crux of the matter is that he should not try to enforce the idea that it is a plausible historical subject, trying to make up stories about an allegedly defensible historical background in some time period. That's all.
In fact he has not managed to be convincing in this particular aspect - as a matter of fact, it would seem he thinks he is under some obligation to prove the figure is historically accurate - but forcing this undefensible issue is not doing any good to anyone.
I think there's not much more to add.
Daniel
Hello,
Nobody is saying Rafa can not do whatever he wants to the figure; of course he can, and this is respectable, and his technical skills have been already recognized.
The crux of the matter is that he should not try to enforce the idea that it is a plausible historical subject, trying to make up stories about an allegedly defensible historical background in some time period. That's all.
In fact he has not managed to be convincing in this particular aspect - as a matter of fact, it would seem he thinks he is under some obligation to prove the figure is historically accurate - but forcing this undefensible issue is not doing any good to anyone.
I think there's not much more to add.
Daniel
garyjd
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Though I did think the scarf was out of place with the figure's clothing, I think to continue to insist on posting the way Rafa "should" have done the figure and the "why" and "what" is wrong with it a bit childish. There is a section for the topic of "accuracy in miniatures" which is probably where "expanded" comentary would be better suited.~Fary
MAB
A Fixture
Hola Rafael
...muchas veces de las transformaciones pequeñas hace un gran pedazo ........
aspecto para ver los pintura completos
Saludos MAB
...muchas veces de las transformaciones pequeñas hace un gran pedazo ........
aspecto para ver los pintura completos
Saludos MAB
Gary my friend. Do not worry. I agree with your POV. My "history about that cowboy" was only irony.
Thanks a lot for your comments that I am sure is in order to help me in improving my next works.
Rafa
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Hardy
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This thread is great, did'nt anyone notice the winking smiley's in Rafaels posts.
Looks great Rafael, looking forward to seeing you paint it.
Hardy
Looks great Rafael, looking forward to seeing you paint it.
Hardy
