Euro 2016

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No problem,but we're talking about a twelve month period when Euro went from hero to zero.Euro was always a figure show,as they had Trucks and Tracks in February in Folkstone but it went tits up because of falling numbers.Euro was always a special show for figures,unlike any other.IPMS took care of everything else.
I personally don't want to go to a show,that has stuff that doesn't interest me,unless it's my local show, which i'll always support.
This is just my opinion Johan,and i'll be sticking to Euro.Looks like you guys have found Utopia,but it's the first show i've never heard a bad word about."Perfection"
To finish of,i would still treasure a Gold from Euro above all others.


Hi Brian

It's OK to be defensive about Euro, Brian, as I am aware that you - like a lot of us - will treasure a lot of fine memories going to this show that once was the summit in our hobby. I don't think that anybody wants to 'slam' Euro down just for fun, why would they. Emotions seem to build up rather intense, but maybe that's just because we all are witnessing how greed and sheer incompetence from the organizer's side, results in bringing Euro nearly to its knees. Parents that love their children sometimes have to be severe too. I believe that's what happening with Euro now. In all honesty, IHMO there is no denying that Euro has lost its appeal to many of us for reasons that are explained multiple times here above. And the people that are to blame are acting like the orchestra on the Titanic, they just keep on playing while the beautiful ship sinks.

On the other hand we have the SMC show that is now rising to the firmanent, all to the credit of the people that run the show. It's not Utopia and probably it's neither perfect. Perfection is not of this world, as we figure painters all too well know. But the reason why there's no bad word is because it has a lot - not everything - that Euro is sadly lacking now: a spacious and modern venue with a massive amount of traders, excellent lighting and show tables, good catering at affordable prices and nice hotel facilities. So it's not surprising that SMC is attracting a growing amount of big names in the hobby at the moment. Agreed, SMC still lacks the legendary status that Euro had in the past, given the fact that it's still a relative new event in its current form. And admittedly, maybe the open system that is commonly used on the continent is not as 'harsh' as Euro's 'survival of the fittest' competition. Anyway, it's not surprising either that rumours are growing that the venue of the SMC show is a candidate to harbour the 2020 World Expo.

To end I would like to express my hopes that, one day, the organizing crew of SMC will not get as complacent as the vultures that are seemingly murdering Euro now. We can only hope that SMC keeps getting better each edition and that Euro is revitalized by people that love the hobby. Wouldn't it be grant to have two big shows standing next to each other. But that's just something that only the future will tell.

Johan
 
I understand and comprehend what your saying Johan.I hope the SMC show eventually grows to the dizzy heights that Euro has reached,especially regarding figures,but unfortunately it's not a journey i will be on,but i wish the new shows all the best for their future.
Old shows, new shows ,are not a priority to me personally.I will continue to get my highs in this great hobby of ours,by sitting down at my workplace and paint,Can't say better than that.
Brian
 
Thanks to the replies to my question. I wanted to make sure I was comparing apples to apples. So it would seem that Euro is still the premier figure show and that SMC is quickly becoming the premier modelling show. A subtle difference surely, but a difference none the less. I suppose if I had to make a call, I would prefer to stick with the figure show, and see if I can challenge the standard and improve upon my one Commended medal (which by the way is framed and proudly displayed in our living room). besides that, all we have here is the local super 8 motels, so I would find an old Victorian hotel to be an added bonus.
 
I think it may be different to find an alternative to Folkestone, but there is as I've mentioned before, the Excel Centre in London's Docklands.
You have City Airport next door and a number of hotels. I'm sure some of you will have attended Salute, and seen how well attended that show is.
Night life will of course be different, but there is a pub and a Chinese restaurant adjacent, or there's a short train ride on the Docklands light railway to other destinations.
Traders vehicles drive straight in to the hall to unload, making life easier, although as you can imagine there may be a bit of a queue when coming to clear the venue.
I've know idea of the cost of hiring the venue, but if Salute can do it, may be Euro can as well.
The only thing is, would our European visitors travel that bit further. Its food for thought though.
And yes, for those that know me, the venue would suit me well, I live relatively nearby and could go home for lunch.:LOL:
Please note I have no bias to this venue.:D

Malc
 
There will not be a response from the show organiser to this thread....but he has read it.

My time media is where all this needs to go. I can only think that if somebody pastes a link to this on military modelling forum and hence makes it a problem then this is just hot air.

A good show involves a good compor display area a good trade hall and great friends. Euro is all of this ...but if your mates are not there...the trade dont go and no one enters the comp...all of which wont be apparent till you get there or just before its a bit of a dear do.

Its clear we all have a passion for euro...i only hope my time media can match it and knowing what i do thats my worry.

Stuart


good points raised Stu ....

I have contacted My Media today via the form on their website giving them this link and inviting them to respond ....


We shall see ..

Nap
 
As usual the BFFS were at Einhoven, and we would never miss it.

The organisation is beyond excellent and the venue is first rate.

If I had been organising Euro for My Media, and there was all this debate going on, I would have been the first one in Einhoven to see what they were doing and see where Euro was going wrong.
Was there anyone from My Media ??? No of coarse not!!! and that, I think sums it all up!!!!

As a society, one of our members has been speaking to Robin, and we have offered our help where
we can for next year should it be required.
 
Hi Nicholas don't hold your breath mate. no one has heard any thing. not a surprise is it. they have to face up to the fact that change is needed and not just a free tea or coffee for the people who help out. it needs a big big change. and that means putting the show first and profits on the back burner for a while ( just as long as they break even and get it back to something like).

The whole point of this thread was to highlight the fact that if something is not done and very quickly then the show will sink. any company with any good business sense would be looking at a the shows and picking up what needs to be done. profit can be made later when it's back where it should be. it would be better for then to have a show then not. it just means that they will have to put some work in and not just sit back and count the money.

Again Robin ( My Time Media) if you are watching this thread then please take note this is not going to go away and next year is not going to be any better if change does not start. you are in a position to do this. listen to the people and traders that love the show see the passion that is still their. start to act now you have a year to start the work needed. offers of help have come in take people up on it.

Well we shall see if he responds to that

Ian

www.elliesminiatures.com
 
Having attended Euro over many years and both Euro and Eindhoven this year I can only agree with all of the points made by Rossbach on the previous page. To counter the comment "No negatives about Eindhoven" I must say that is probably because it is difficult to find any.
Eindhoven has a superb display of figures so don't be misled by pictures. The Plastic models and Dioramas were at the back of the display area and there was a long centre display which had Fantasy on one side and Historical on the other, I would say very closely matched in numbers. The Club have gone out of their way to encourage figure painters and there was also a superb display in the middle of one of the halls of the Judges figures.
In terms of traders there are only a handful of Euro traders who didn't attend Eindhoven, the bonus is that there were many traders from across Europe in addition.
My Hotel room, I paid an extra 20 Euros a night for a superior room, had a 6' Double, a 3' single, a desk and wi-fi plus a Bathroom with a wet room attached, all of which cost two thirds of the price I pay at the Clifton (Probably enough to cover the travel cost to Holland) and included a superb eat as much as you like Breakfast. The room was silent, so no problems with late night revellers on the Lees.
On Saturday night an eat as much as you like Buffet was laid on for 25 Euros,( sorry it's not Chinese Brian) but if that doesn't tempt you to Holland nothing will...LOL

Having attended Euro since the first, it has been sad to see the gradual decline but to my mind thoughts of resurrecting it are a pipe dream, but good luck to anyone who wants to give it a go. The World of Modelling has moved on and Euro didn't.....RIP Euro.

Keith
 
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