johnbrewer
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Hi folks, about to start work on my latest project and lots of gold lace on show. I want to paint it using yellows. Any suggestions for mixes, please
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Patrick Kirk
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My friend...
If I may recommend the following:
undercoat with an acrylic of yellow ochre
oil base: gold ochre + burnt sienna ( a lil burnt sienna) for a dark gold base
shade: base + raw umber
highligh: base + gold
dramatic highlight: printers ink in linquin
Hope this helps John...shoot me a note at the house if there is anything else...
Take care!
Patrick
If I may recommend the following:
undercoat with an acrylic of yellow ochre
oil base: gold ochre + burnt sienna ( a lil burnt sienna) for a dark gold base
shade: base + raw umber
highligh: base + gold
dramatic highlight: printers ink in linquin
Hope this helps John...shoot me a note at the house if there is anything else...
Take care!
Patrick
KeithP
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john:
this is my mix used on the figure below:
undercoat: Humbrol 170
base : Humbrol 110 + oil Yellow Ochre + oil MarsBrown + oil Raw Umber
schaded using Raw Umber and MarsBrown
highlight: ad more Yellow Ochre + Titanium White to the base mix
no printers ink or gold paints used!
Erik
this is my mix used on the figure below:
undercoat: Humbrol 170
base : Humbrol 110 + oil Yellow Ochre + oil MarsBrown + oil Raw Umber
schaded using Raw Umber and MarsBrown
highlight: ad more Yellow Ochre + Titanium White to the base mix
no printers ink or gold paints used!
Erik
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Lou Masses
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Robin,
I believe (not an expert, but based on examples I've seen) that the quality of the lace was based on rank and wealth. In other word, a poor Lt. may have had less mettalic lace whereas a wealthy Col. would have high quality gold lace. Anyone can jump in and correct me here.
My mix (see photo) is based on four colors-chestnut brown, mustard yellow, golden yellow and lt yellow. and believe it or not I use the cheap acrylic "craft" paints used to do stenciling. I can dig up the brand if you're interested. I buy them because they are more transparent and allow me to build layers without having to do excessive thinning down of the paint.
If you are interested, I'd be happy to post my technique for gold and silver.
Regards,
Lou
I believe (not an expert, but based on examples I've seen) that the quality of the lace was based on rank and wealth. In other word, a poor Lt. may have had less mettalic lace whereas a wealthy Col. would have high quality gold lace. Anyone can jump in and correct me here.
My mix (see photo) is based on four colors-chestnut brown, mustard yellow, golden yellow and lt yellow. and believe it or not I use the cheap acrylic "craft" paints used to do stenciling. I can dig up the brand if you're interested. I buy them because they are more transparent and allow me to build layers without having to do excessive thinning down of the paint.
If you are interested, I'd be happy to post my technique for gold and silver.
Regards,
Lou
johnbrewer
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all very interesting and has got me thinking
Colin_Fraser
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I suggest you study paintings and actual artifacts but remember that actual surviving items will usually be quite tarnished after ~200 years.
Last night I painted a field of dark blue acrylic on some water colour paper and did some experiments in freehanding oils in a French general officer's gold oakleaf pattern over the blue. I want to try replicating gold lace without gold paint - I figure if a portrait artist can do it on a 3' picture, I should be able to do something similar on a 12" figure.
One mix I liked was -
Shadow (applied first) - Mars Orange or Raw Umber (the former for a richer yellow lace and the latter for a tarnished greener lace);
Base - ~25% shadow + ~75% cadmium yellow
highlight - ~25% Cad. yellow + ~75% Naples yellow lt.
high highlight - unbleached titianium (sparingly used)
Also, I think one of the early HM mags. (perhaps #2?) had a good article on painting gold and silver lace by Phil Kessling.
Colin
Last night I painted a field of dark blue acrylic on some water colour paper and did some experiments in freehanding oils in a French general officer's gold oakleaf pattern over the blue. I want to try replicating gold lace without gold paint - I figure if a portrait artist can do it on a 3' picture, I should be able to do something similar on a 12" figure.
One mix I liked was -
Shadow (applied first) - Mars Orange or Raw Umber (the former for a richer yellow lace and the latter for a tarnished greener lace);
Base - ~25% shadow + ~75% cadmium yellow
highlight - ~25% Cad. yellow + ~75% Naples yellow lt.
high highlight - unbleached titianium (sparingly used)
Also, I think one of the early HM mags. (perhaps #2?) had a good article on painting gold and silver lace by Phil Kessling.
Colin
johnbrewer
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very interesting
Hi John,
I posted my painting of the Imperial Guard, Grenadier Officer (Major),
1/10th Scale, From Andrea Miniatures, Work-in-Progress, so you could see a close up, and the approach I took on the gold and metal effect. The following are the colors I used.
Highlight =Bright brass Testors
Base = Gold Testors
Dark tone = Copper Tamyia (FX-6)
Green patina = Green Tamyia (FX-5)
Hope this helps
Alex
I posted my painting of the Imperial Guard, Grenadier Officer (Major),
1/10th Scale, From Andrea Miniatures, Work-in-Progress, so you could see a close up, and the approach I took on the gold and metal effect. The following are the colors I used.
Highlight =Bright brass Testors
Base = Gold Testors
Dark tone = Copper Tamyia (FX-6)
Green patina = Green Tamyia (FX-5)
Hope this helps
Alex
johnbrewer
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Lou we are all here waiting, have you not got home yet?
johnbrewer
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I hate one to one scale painting.
Lou Masses
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Alright. If I could get my wife to do it I'd paint figures for a living. She's too damned expensive.
I am going to try to post pics, but who knows. Be forewarned. I am doing this with 1/2 gallon of sangria, 3 Amarginhas, 2 beers and a Heineken (4 beers?). But I promised....
I use 4 colors....These particular ones are from "Americana" brand (The type women use to paint flowers on their borders) -How pathetic am I?
[these are for gold only] As long as you have similarly valued yellows, the effect is the same. Avoid ochres as they seem to go too green.
Base (shadow)-"Milk Chocalate" (hmm tasty)
First coat- Antique gold
Second- Moon Yellow
Highlight-Taffy cream
Basically- Chestnut brown, Mustard yellow, Cad yellow light and Cad Yellow light with alot of white plus the highlight color with white.
Use a light source to dilineate where the light is coming from. In other words. Your Lamp is the sun. Where the lamp hits the most is the highest highlight.
-Lay down the base of brown on every part of the lace.
-Lay down the Antique gold on the parts of the lace that stand out (all areas that begin to exhibit a 3 dimensional effect based on the light source).
-THe lighter yellow (moon yellow) should be applied to areas that are the "highlights". Again based on the direction of the light source.
-Taffy goes on the very highest portions
-Finally white with taffy on the the very, very highest highlights. Literally a "touch" of paint. In other words. Take your brush and touch the very tips of where the light hits. A dot does wonders. The key is to make it look like a reflection of the light hitting the very highest tip of the braid.
You can do all of this and then add the color of the uniform around for more effect (ie if there is a shadow area on the lace that is near a Prussian blue. literally touch the shadow with a miniscule dot of Prussian blue so it looks like a reflection).
This is really hard to explain in writing let alone after a few drinks, but I hope the crappy photos can help. If they don't. Please e-mail me because the technique works, it's just hard to explain. The same applies to silver (see attached) just use greys, blues and whites- If you're interested, I can give you the Vallejo colors of r the silver.
Sorry if this disappoints. Like I said. Sangria, Amarginha, Estrellia the Galecia and a Martini are nto conducive ot painting- but I promised :lol:
I am going to try to post pics, but who knows. Be forewarned. I am doing this with 1/2 gallon of sangria, 3 Amarginhas, 2 beers and a Heineken (4 beers?). But I promised....
I use 4 colors....These particular ones are from "Americana" brand (The type women use to paint flowers on their borders) -How pathetic am I?
[these are for gold only] As long as you have similarly valued yellows, the effect is the same. Avoid ochres as they seem to go too green.
Base (shadow)-"Milk Chocalate" (hmm tasty)
First coat- Antique gold
Second- Moon Yellow
Highlight-Taffy cream
Basically- Chestnut brown, Mustard yellow, Cad yellow light and Cad Yellow light with alot of white plus the highlight color with white.
Use a light source to dilineate where the light is coming from. In other words. Your Lamp is the sun. Where the lamp hits the most is the highest highlight.
-Lay down the base of brown on every part of the lace.
-Lay down the Antique gold on the parts of the lace that stand out (all areas that begin to exhibit a 3 dimensional effect based on the light source).
-THe lighter yellow (moon yellow) should be applied to areas that are the "highlights". Again based on the direction of the light source.
-Taffy goes on the very highest portions
-Finally white with taffy on the the very, very highest highlights. Literally a "touch" of paint. In other words. Take your brush and touch the very tips of where the light hits. A dot does wonders. The key is to make it look like a reflection of the light hitting the very highest tip of the braid.
You can do all of this and then add the color of the uniform around for more effect (ie if there is a shadow area on the lace that is near a Prussian blue. literally touch the shadow with a miniscule dot of Prussian blue so it looks like a reflection).
This is really hard to explain in writing let alone after a few drinks, but I hope the crappy photos can help. If they don't. Please e-mail me because the technique works, it's just hard to explain. The same applies to silver (see attached) just use greys, blues and whites- If you're interested, I can give you the Vallejo colors of r the silver.
Sorry if this disappoints. Like I said. Sangria, Amarginha, Estrellia the Galecia and a Martini are nto conducive ot painting- but I promised :lol:
Lou Masses
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