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Dan Morton

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For the Edward Victor Ball the younger figure I need to make some rather ornate piping on the tunic. The very tight tunic and trousers worn by the Kings Troop Royal Horse Artillery are shown in the picture. Those are sculpted and came out OK so far. But next I need to make the rather ornate piping patterns.
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Here's what I propose to do. Those of you with more sculpting experience please speak up and correct me where I go wrong, OK?

1. I plan to use approx. 0.30 mm lead wire (the diameter of rather fine sewing thread) for most of the piping. I scaled a picture of the above at the actual height of the figure - 113mm from bottom of feet to top of head (uncovered). The figure is not wearing a busby as in the picture. Basically I laid the 0.30 mm wire on top of the scaled picture and it looks perfect. Problem # 1 - Where can I get more 0.30 mm lead wire? I honestly don't recall where I got the 0.30 mm wire! I have quite a bit now, but certainly don't want to run out. Is lead wire the proper material for this or should I use soft copper wire if I can get it?
2. Next I plan to lay out a rough pattern for the piping on the figure by measuring the distances separating each circle and marking the location of each circle using a fine point indelible marker. I plan to make a simple tool of resin or metal to control the distances between the wires (piping) when they are fitted on the uniform. The idea behind this is just to keep the gaps the same distances apart.
3. For the piping at the bottom edges of the tunic, I plan to use putty, not wire. Why? Maybe you can't see it in the picture but they look like they are a slightly different thickness than the more ornate filigree piping.
4. What type of glue would work best to secure the wire to the putty surface? I wouldn't think superglue would work very well.
5. I've made a simple jig by embedding a small needle into a wood block. I've tried it and it seems to work out OK. Two turns of wire around the needle yield a loop with two separated wire ends. I'm using flat surface tweezers to pull and shape the wire.
6. Prior to fitting the wire onto the tunic I plan to flatten it a bit using the same wood block or a glass plate. How flattened should the wire be? What type tool works best for this? I would imagine the wire should be just flat enough to lay on the uniform but still look roughly circular. Tricky.

OK - that's my questions! Help!

All the best,
Dan
 
Dan, I get lead wire from Bass Pro a large fish and tackle store. It is used to tie lures. It comes in different thicknesses. You can also get lead wire from Michigan Toy Soldiers.
 
Dan, I would go for putty all the way. But that's just me :lol:

Stephen Mallia
 
Thanks Bob - Bass Pro sounds a good source and I'll try them. I managed to find one spool of nearly the same diameter at Dick Blick downtown tonight.

Thanks Stephen - Putty only, huh?

Interesting. I also wrote e-mails to several other sculptors asking about the same questions. There doesn't seem to be any consistent approach - for this kind of work some people use wire only and some putty only. Frankly I'm more comfortable with putty but how does one control the diameter of a putty "pipe" that needs to be consistently 0.30mm to look right? And we're talking thin folks - 0.30mm putty is like thread. MS by itself wouldn't work, so I'll play around with Duro and MS mixes to see if I can make it work, but the wire seems more practical to me.

Do those of you who would use wire secure it with superglue or do you use something else?

All the best,
Dan
 
I would try to find out how MAB does it, he seems to be the King of Piping.
 
Dan you could lay a piece of your wire out on a piece of ceramic tile. I would tape the two ends down to the tile to keep it from moving. You could flatten it by laying two pieces of strip plastic on either side of the wire. If the wire is soft enough an X-acto knife handle could be used as a sort of rolling pin. The far ends of the knife handle could staddle the plastic when rolling so the wire ends up the same thickness.~Gary
 
Hi Dan

Premised that whichever technique or material is used... the thing that it imports it is that the problem is resolved well.... therefore the result justifies means..... Therefore whichever is the solution (Naylon - Putty - Glue or other) is not a universal method but only the fruit of much practical and many errors..... naturally you to make your considerations also based on your experience and sure to find your just solution technical.
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For the honor decorative clasps or gallons.... I use Mix di a Milliput White and Magic Sculpt.. to be one I stir enough resistant to the lengthenings and moreover with a good adhesive power.

In practical... I realize of the thin threads of putty irons, cut by hand to you the more regular segment and than equal measure.... I put the segment of putty on the part of interested uniform and bath all with Alcool, when to be hardened to 70% I eliminate the external parts that are served in order to put down the thread.
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But I can also answer that my council equally stirs it Magic + Duro to be good therefore is that one to try....... will find yours stirs ideal.

I hope of to have been comprehensible.... I am still working on my English. :lol:

Salute to all

MAB

Haaarrggg ....... I forgot the trick...... wants much patience to us. ;) :)
 
Many thanks Gary! I hadn't forgotten your earlier e-mail suggestion of this! I tried it and it works. I also didn't intend in any way to seem ungrateful for your help in this instance and so many others in the past! My approach to asking this kind of question is to want to listen to a lot of input, recommendations, experiences, etc. and then to reach my own decisions. Essentially this is just common sense but it also is a variant of the scientific method, which I've had to use my whole adult life at work and is thus, second nature. I value your help, my friend!

All the best,
Dan
 
Maurizio - Many thanks and I understood every word! [I think. ;) :lol: ]

No seriously, I got it! I'm going to try both methods - wire and putty - and see which works best for me in this situation.

And the hardest thing for me is that which you mentioned last - -patience! I'm the kinda guy that wants patience and wants it right now, @#$%^ it! :lol:

All the best,
Dan
 

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