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Apalling story, do your bit for queen and country and this is how you are treated o_O given the circumstance's as well .....
 
sd0324 said:
I am not trolling you,but are you serious?
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pretty serious in saying that its not black or white. News are designed to provoke.

Get a full verdict and and reasons for sentence and then one can say extreme or not. I am saying there is a reason why this sentence has been passed. I dont know what it is specifically ( apart from that judge believed he didnt just "forget" about that glock)- does anyone else get it from this article? All I see is that people are compelled to defend - so the article stirred people up quite well.
Appeal will put it right, surely.

Thats pretty much all.
 
So, 18 months in a military prison, dishonourable discharge, reduction in rank, forfeiture of pension, criminal conviction recorded, loss of married quarter and wife and kids left with no income all for possession of a weapon that his mates took out of base to his home and that he had no INTENT to use, and you think he deserved it? As SD said are you serious?
 
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Jimmy S said:
So, 18 months in a military prison, dishonourable discharge, reduction in rank, forfeiture of pension, criminal conviction recorded, loss of married quarter and wife and kids left with no income all for possession of a weapon that his mates took out of base to his home and that he had no INTENT to use, and you think he deserved it? As SD said are you serious?
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I am saying I dont know if he deserves it because we dont know what judge is basing a decision on. Appeal will sort it out for sure.
I dont think all of the above is fair to his family and I sympathise with him. I havent said he should rot in jail.

I also hope that law is same for all.

Look, I am sorry my opinion stirs a righteous anger - its is just an different opinion that is lateral to what been said ( note- not opposite). I just see a the issue from a different angle and it doesnt preclude me from agreeing with your view. not much else to say really. May be should have held it to myself, but its a forum in the end of the day.

You can start throwing chairs and shoes
 
Gaudin said:
I am saying I dont know if he deserves it because we dont know what judge is basing a decision on. Appeal will sort it out for sure.
I dont think all of the above is fair to his family and I sympathise with him. I havent said he should rot in jail.

I also hope that law is same for all.

Look, I am sorry my opinion stirs a righteous anger - its is just an different opinion that is lateral to what been said ( note- not opposite). I just see a the issue from a different angle and it doesnt preclude me from agreeing with your view. not much else to say really. May be should hanve held it to myself, but its a forum in the end of the day.

You can start throwing chairs and shoes
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No shoe throwing here at all,just saddened that a man who served his country is now rewarded like this,terrorists are treated better. You are entitled to your view,but I am saddened by it. There is no justification for it and no Free man who has served his country honorably should ever have to undergo the indignity of being "assesed" by a beaurocrat as to whether or not he is worthy or not of posessing a firearm. It is a matter of honor and defense....
 
Apparently, what really screwed him was the discovery of the 300 rounds of mixed 9mm, 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition along with the Glock. This moved things up into the realm of possession with possible intent. If it was just the pistol on its own , then maybe it would not have come to this.
 
sd0324 said:
No shoe throwing here at all,just saddened that a man who served his country is now rewarded like this,terrorists are treated better. You are entitled to your view,but I am saddened by it. There is no justification for it and no Free man who has served his country honorably should ever have to undergo the indignity of being "assesed" by a beaurocrat as to whether or not he is worthy or not of posessing a firearm. It is a matter of honor and defense....
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Jimmy, Steve, look - I spent a hour now reading everything I could find about this online - for 2 reasons = one is I wanted more facts and second I didnt want to offend or upset people in the first place. Telegraph gives absolutely one sided view (well they are all written by same guy) and it doesnt add up in some places. BBC has now told more as well.
I want to think that the law and judges should be just and I choose believe that they usually are. There is a reason why judge decided this way and no one is clear what it is. If it isnt a reason good enough - the appeal will quash it in no time and fairness will be restored.
Thats the truly neutral part of my opinion.

The biased part of my opinion - is that I don't want guns on our streets. And I think that all people who bring guns/grenades etc illegaly from war zones should be held accountable by law regardless of rank/ position/ connections/service records and punishment should be appropriate according to law.
If the point of our discussion got scewed and I went off the point I will hold my arms to it and say - yes - the punishment this soldier got may be extreme based on what is said in the article. I am wondering though what full facts are that justified the judges decision. Untill they are known or disclosed - I cant see how it can be said that judge is definetly wrong.

I hope this puts some explanation to my comments, I'll struggle to express it more clearly at this hour of morning.
 
Gaudin said:
Steve, look - I spent a hour now reading everything I could find about this online - for 2 reasons = one is I wanted more facts and second I didnt want to offend or upset people in the first place. Telegraph gives absolutely one sided view (well they are all written by same guy) and it doesnt add up in some places.
I want to think that the law and judges should be just and I choose believe that they usually are. There is a reason why judge decided this way and no one is clear what it is. If it isnt a reason good enough - the appeal will quash it in no time and fairness will be restored.
Thats the truly neutral part of my opinion.

The biased part of my opinion - is that I don't want guns on our streets. And I think that all people who bring guns/grenades etc illegaly from war zones should be held accountable by law.
If the point of our discussion got scewed and I went off the point I will hold my arms to it and say - yes - the punishment this soldier got may be extreme based on what is said in the article. I am wondering though what full facts are that justified the judges decision. Untill they are known or disclosed - I cant see how it can be said that judge is definetly wrong.

I hope this puts some explanation to my comments, I'll struggle to express it more clearly at this hour of morning.
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No worries,friend it is a forum and you are entitled to your opinion. I get it and am still saddened by it.It is a sign of the times and my opinions,like myself,are getting old. Times are changing,God help us.:) p.s. if you saw my collection,you would pee yourself!
 
sd0324 said:
No worries,friend it is a forum and you are entitled to your opinion. I get it and am still saddened by it.It is a sign of the times and my opinions,like myself,are getting old. Times are changing,God help us.:) p.s. if you saw my collection,you would pee yourself!
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The funny thing is - I am not afraid of guns. I used a few, familiar with a few and its not a personal like or dislike or phobia thing. I would actually be very interested to see ( and try out) your collection. Thats not the point though.

I am not jumping to defend the guy and choose more "truth will come out" approach
 
Gaudin said:
The funny thing is - I am not afraid of guns. I used a few, familiar with a few and its not a personal like or dislike thing. I would actually be very interested to see your collection. Thats not the point though.

I am not jumping to defend the guy and choose more "truth will come out" approach
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Good point,and taken.
 
Just some thoughts from my side - not intended to offend anybody.
While I feel sympathy for the jailed member of the regiment I second Gaudin`s view on the situation and would like to add:

- being a member of military or police or else does not necessarily make yourself a hero
- if you wronged, the membership of a Special Unit does not grant privileges and rightly so!
- all aspects of an investigation that have to be reviewed by a judge normaly cannot be presented within one page in the newspapers so it is next to impossible to revise any verdict by reading the news
- being jailed as terrorist suspect in certain places of our world is most probably still different to the situation of this poor SAS chap
- legal possession of firearms is for reason restricted by laws - a war trophy can be everything but a firearm or explosives - what will happen if these kind of trophies end up one day in the wrong hands?

About myself: Not long ago a good buddy of mine was shot during a forced entry. The offender was in legal possession of a firearm btw. While I was part of a specialized international unit in an Area of Operations where nearly everybody has got (illegaly) at least one weapon hidden inside his house one high-risk operation ended up with 60 wounded and one fatal loss. It is not brought up here to show off but (hopefully) to explain my biased feelings and why I felt qualified to express my opinion.
May the appeal of the SAS Sergeant against the verdict be based on lawful reasons and finally be successful!

All the best
Martin
 

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