Jimmy S
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What is going on in the UK?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9669410/SAS-war-hero-jailed-after-betrayal.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9669410/SAS-war-hero-jailed-after-betrayal.html
Sas Sgt Jailed
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flart1943
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The insane have taken over the Asylum.
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sd0324
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I heard of this a while ago,absolutely shameful. Going to jail for just one Glock,I would be in big trouble in the UK.
bagelman1952
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I think the Judge must have already done a few tours and got brain damage if he sees that sentence as justified.
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So a bona fide SAS hero who has bravely served Queen & country is packed off to jail for having a shooter in his house, while at the same time that beardy Islamist nutter Abu Qatada is let out of jail to walk the streets because he has "human rights".
You couldn't make it up!!!
This is what happens when we allow do-gooders to impose their politically-correct metrosexual beliefs on the judicial system: Common sense, logic, fairness and justice get turned on their heads.
- Steve
You couldn't make it up!!!
This is what happens when we allow do-gooders to impose their politically-correct metrosexual beliefs on the judicial system: Common sense, logic, fairness and justice get turned on their heads.
- Steve
sd0324
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Gun control gone wrong. I cannot believe there is not any public outcry on this.
Gaudin
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And what would you be saying if the news said: "SAS soldier hero suffering from PTSD shoots children in local school with a pistol brought from Iraq " instead?
Derek Bird in West Cumbria as an example didnt need much of a trigger to flip.
Also - how many of these Glocks brought by our soldier hero's as a "souvenier", go to black market and end up killing people in Manchester or London?
The news these days are very one sided and far from impartial, they dont give you a full picture anyway. There is nothing to say about what mental health assessment he had and his capacity nor there are any details of the trial that are published.
Jail may be extreme but judge may have had a good reason to justify it - these things arent done " because I fancy it today". And the law should also apply.
Nothing is black and white.
*Troll canteen open for business*
Derek Bird in West Cumbria as an example didnt need much of a trigger to flip.
Also - how many of these Glocks brought by our soldier hero's as a "souvenier", go to black market and end up killing people in Manchester or London?
The news these days are very one sided and far from impartial, they dont give you a full picture anyway. There is nothing to say about what mental health assessment he had and his capacity nor there are any details of the trial that are published.
Jail may be extreme but judge may have had a good reason to justify it - these things arent done " because I fancy it today". And the law should also apply.
Nothing is black and white.
*Troll canteen open for business*
sd0324
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Gaudin
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pretty serious in saying that its not black or white. News are designed to provoke.
Get a full verdict and and reasons for sentence and then one can say extreme or not. I am saying there is a reason why this sentence has been passed. I dont know what it is specifically ( apart from that judge believed he didnt just "forget" about that glock)- does anyone else get it from this article? All I see is that people are compelled to defend - so the article stirred people up quite well.
Appeal will put it right, surely.
Thats pretty much all.
Jimmy S
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So, 18 months in a military prison, dishonourable discharge, reduction in rank, forfeiture of pension, criminal conviction recorded, loss of married quarter and wife and kids left with no income all for possession of a weapon that his mates took out of base to his home and that he had no INTENT to use, and you think he deserved it? As SD said are you serious?
sd0324
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Gaudin
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I am saying I dont know if he deserves it because we dont know what judge is basing a decision on. Appeal will sort it out for sure.
I dont think all of the above is fair to his family and I sympathise with him. I havent said he should rot in jail.
I also hope that law is same for all.
Look, I am sorry my opinion stirs a righteous anger - its is just an different opinion that is lateral to what been said ( note- not opposite). I just see a the issue from a different angle and it doesnt preclude me from agreeing with your view. not much else to say really. May be should have held it to myself, but its a forum in the end of the day.
You can start throwing chairs and shoes
sd0324
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No shoe throwing here at all,just saddened that a man who served his country is now rewarded like this,terrorists are treated better. You are entitled to your view,but I am saddened by it. There is no justification for it and no Free man who has served his country honorably should ever have to undergo the indignity of being "assesed" by a beaurocrat as to whether or not he is worthy or not of posessing a firearm. It is a matter of honor and defense....
Jimmy S
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Not sure how the judges justified these ones....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ist-attack-shop-worker--walks-free-court.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cocaine-smuggler-walk-free-sitting-judge.html
You are right about it being a forum and at least you had the b*lls to have your say. No chairs at this stage...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ist-attack-shop-worker--walks-free-court.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cocaine-smuggler-walk-free-sitting-judge.html
You are right about it being a forum and at least you had the b*lls to have your say. No chairs at this stage...
grenadier
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Apparently, what really screwed him was the discovery of the 300 rounds of mixed 9mm, 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition along with the Glock. This moved things up into the realm of possession with possible intent. If it was just the pistol on its own , then maybe it would not have come to this.
sd0324
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oooooh, oh my god,not ammunition too!!! That makes it all different!
Gaudin
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Jimmy, Steve, look - I spent a hour now reading everything I could find about this online - for 2 reasons = one is I wanted more facts and second I didnt want to offend or upset people in the first place. Telegraph gives absolutely one sided view (well they are all written by same guy) and it doesnt add up in some places. BBC has now told more as well.
I want to think that the law and judges should be just and I choose believe that they usually are. There is a reason why judge decided this way and no one is clear what it is. If it isnt a reason good enough - the appeal will quash it in no time and fairness will be restored.
Thats the truly neutral part of my opinion.
The biased part of my opinion - is that I don't want guns on our streets. And I think that all people who bring guns/grenades etc illegaly from war zones should be held accountable by law regardless of rank/ position/ connections/service records and punishment should be appropriate according to law.
If the point of our discussion got scewed and I went off the point I will hold my arms to it and say - yes - the punishment this soldier got may be extreme based on what is said in the article. I am wondering though what full facts are that justified the judges decision. Untill they are known or disclosed - I cant see how it can be said that judge is definetly wrong.
I hope this puts some explanation to my comments, I'll struggle to express it more clearly at this hour of morning.
