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DEL
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Scottish notes are not legal tender, a term that relates to an agreement between two parties regarding the clearance of debt. Scottish notes ARE legal currency throughout the UK as determined by the UK Government.
To an extent I agree that there is a strong case for the rest of the UK to have a say in the outcome. Of course the bizarre twist is the Scots could vote NO and become independent because the English could vote YES.
There is a belief perpetuated by certain factions of the media that Scotland is a drag anchor on England's economy. This is nonsense we are all interdependent on each other, economically, culturally and socially. I can understand those with entrenched views but I can't understand those who don't give a #### given the far reaching implications of the outcome.
Tecumsea
PlanetFigure Supporter
Hi Dell,
As the quote is directed at me I will respond...........it seems to me that much of the argument is based on emotion.........the point I am trying to make is that I have spent most of my life making judgements on Facts. The facts in this case are not proved either way. I'm not a gambler and so emotionally I would prefer things to stay as they are but is that the right decision and where are the facts? will we be any the wiser tonight? So it remains that I cannot care about something that I am not in a postion to make a rational judgement on.
I hope that makes it clearer!?
Tubby-Nuts2
A Fixture
Del. It would be a ironic twist! if we said yes and the Scots said no!
(if the option was available) .. However, what would need to be taken into account, is the Welsh, and N/Irish vote! So it would/could still be a close call, as history has deep roots and old feelings, or enmity's! could play there part.
I agree completely that we all should be concerned about the outcome and possible fallout! .. As it is a monumental vote ! and not to be taken lightly in any way shape or form.
Also, yes we are independent of one another. Especially Socially, and Culturally. and long may it be so. ..
Regards,
Mark
(if the option was available) .. However, what would need to be taken into account, is the Welsh, and N/Irish vote! So it would/could still be a close call, as history has deep roots and old feelings, or enmity's! could play there part.I agree completely that we all should be concerned about the outcome and possible fallout! .. As it is a monumental vote ! and not to be taken lightly in any way shape or form.
Also, yes we are independent of one another. Especially Socially, and Culturally. and long may it be so.
..Regards,
Mark
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Mark S
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Keith, excuse a dubious mere colonial sticking his head up above the ramparts here but I couldn't help over hearing, if you say "so emotionally I would prefer things to stay as they are",that's not quite the same as I couldn't give a rats patootie what happens.
Tecumsea
PlanetFigure Supporter
Read exactly what was written and it will become clearer Mark
I was told that fact about Scottish notes, by a friend that worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland, and the fact that they can be used in England,doesn't detract from the fact that they also can be refused. On an English bank note, the Guvoner of the BofE has signed his signature promising to pay the Bearer on Demand, and I understand that the note is just a promissory for the equivalent amount of gold that the bank holds. I don't think that the situation in Scotland is exactly the same as applies to England, otherwise why are we having the argument about Sterling if Scotland votes yes?
billyturnip
A Fixture
The real problem with Scottish banknotes south of the border is the fear of forgeries, real or imagined.
Roger
Roger
Tubby-Nuts2
A Fixture
Mate I have, !! ..Its simple case of those that are interested and those who are not! I mean nothing untoward about your thoughts, or Dels! Like yourself I find my self emotionally detached, but I do wonder about the fallout and cost afterwards! .. History in the making. Nothing more nothing less. 
Mark
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Mark S
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Well, whatever happens after this momentus vote and whatever the outcome lets all hope that one thing will forever remain the same for all time.
And that's the difference between the Bagpipes and Onions will always remain the same...........
......that being no one cries when someone chops up a set of bagpipes.
And that's the difference between the Bagpipes and Onions will always remain the same...........
......that being no one cries when someone chops up a set of bagpipes.
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Mark S
Guest
The deathly silence is even more scary than any Scottish rugby ruck like attack.
Tubby-Nuts2
A Fixture
. Its like ok, who 'Farted', in church! just as the Vicar has just finished saying 'For those who are about to receive'. Eyes are being cast about looking for a subject to blame. Where there is none! Its the sewerage vehicle outside!! Circumstances.Mark
Redcap
PlanetFigure Supporter
Some emotions running high but let's be candid and non emotional here, it's never, ever, going to be a "YES" vote is it.
Once people look over the edge and into the yonder - especially those who have savings or a pension plan- who will take that massive leap of faith based upon (at best) wild optimism on the part of Alex Salmond that Scotland can go it alone with an independent currency....whatever that would be as even he does not seem to know! If you had, say, £10K in your savings account before the referendum, what (exactly) will you have if Alex and his mates triumph irrespective of what the building society book or bank statement says you have? It was car crash TV watching him bluster his way on arguably the most important single issue of currency where the SNP 'policy' was based more upon 'hope' than an actual considered fiscal issue(s) to address. It could quite reasonably be asked by an independent and dispassionate non Scotish observer; is independence best for the Scots collectively as a nation or for the political careers and aspirations of both Alex Salmond and other senior SNP members because personally, I see little rational evidence of the former but lots for the latter?
And for all those Scotish patriots who think "King Alex" would not betray his country, well, just over a decade ago, didn't we in England feel the same about a certain shyster called Tony Blair......and the rest as they say 'is history'
Like Keith and the others say, as an Englishman, I am totally indifferent to the whole issue of Scotish Nationalism which been festering for years on the UK political map. If by some earthshattering result they go, then I wish Scotland all the best. If they stay however, how about some agreement to bury the issue at least for a couple of generations because personally, I can see this hanging around like a bad smell for years to come and of course, at great public expense to the taxpayer with no winners other than 'on the make' politicians themselves.
Taken collectively, I and indeed everyone with whom I speak, is FAR more concerned about other events on the world stage such as ISIS, home grown religious nutters, out of control immigration (of the wrong sort) and the brinkmanship 'sabre rattling' coming from Russia & Ukraine.
Gary
Once people look over the edge and into the yonder - especially those who have savings or a pension plan- who will take that massive leap of faith based upon (at best) wild optimism on the part of Alex Salmond that Scotland can go it alone with an independent currency....whatever that would be as even he does not seem to know! If you had, say, £10K in your savings account before the referendum, what (exactly) will you have if Alex and his mates triumph irrespective of what the building society book or bank statement says you have? It was car crash TV watching him bluster his way on arguably the most important single issue of currency where the SNP 'policy' was based more upon 'hope' than an actual considered fiscal issue(s) to address. It could quite reasonably be asked by an independent and dispassionate non Scotish observer; is independence best for the Scots collectively as a nation or for the political careers and aspirations of both Alex Salmond and other senior SNP members because personally, I see little rational evidence of the former but lots for the latter?
And for all those Scotish patriots who think "King Alex" would not betray his country, well, just over a decade ago, didn't we in England feel the same about a certain shyster called Tony Blair......and the rest as they say 'is history'
Like Keith and the others say, as an Englishman, I am totally indifferent to the whole issue of Scotish Nationalism which been festering for years on the UK political map. If by some earthshattering result they go, then I wish Scotland all the best. If they stay however, how about some agreement to bury the issue at least for a couple of generations because personally, I can see this hanging around like a bad smell for years to come and of course, at great public expense to the taxpayer with no winners other than 'on the make' politicians themselves.
Taken collectively, I and indeed everyone with whom I speak, is FAR more concerned about other events on the world stage such as ISIS, home grown religious nutters, out of control immigration (of the wrong sort) and the brinkmanship 'sabre rattling' coming from Russia & Ukraine.
Gary
What a treasonable remark Mark.I was taught to play the bagpipes by an Aussie and i played in an Anzac Parade in Sydney in the 70's and what a day that was.Seriously Mark, i lived amongst you guys for nearly 10 years and i know your style of humour only to well.Great mates.
I'm just away to chop some onions.
Brian
DEL
A Fixture
Well fact me
he presumably mentioned that like Scottish notes B of E notes are not legal tender in Scotland. Presumably that's Salmonds point...if it works across the country just now why couldn't it work if Scotland went independent.
DEL
A Fixture
Del. It would be a ironic twist! if we said yes and the Scots said no!
I agree completely that we all should be concerned about the outcome and possible fallout! .. As it is a monumental vote ! and not to be taken lightly in any way shape or form.
Also, yes we are independent of one another. Especially Socially, and Culturally. and long may it be so.
Regards,
Mark
Exactly Mark unfortunately this does not seem to be a view held by many.
Well said Gary,i think your choice of words "totally indifferent" are a bit more acceptable to "i don't give a ****".We are all proud of where we come from, and that's the way it should be, but i do hope that when this is all over it will be layed to rest.I also hope that people don't generalise about someones nationality, which i feel is coming through with these exchanges of opinions.I'm Scottish with very good English friends, and many other nationalities, and it only takes 1 or 2 ill conceived remarks for some people to generalise, and think that all people of that nationality are of the same mind.
I for one am totally pissed off of hearing about this referendum and the sooner that it's done and dusted the happier i'll be.No politician could make my mind up either way,but listening to and reading from experts in their field is the way i go about it.My motto is "always do your homework before making a decision" and in this particular case it's a big fat NO!!!!!!!!!!!
As we're all part of the U.K. we should all take heed of each others matters.If not,why is it called United Kingdom.
Brian
DEL
A Fixture
The issue for me in this debate is that I genuinely do care about the continuance of the Union.
Unfortunately this is clearly a matter that some others "don't care" about or are "totally indifferent" towards and this saddens me.
Yes there are major issues and challenges facing the country that we should be tackling as a united nation.
As to the matter of facts, when have politicians ever presented actual facts when wanting us to agree with their views and agendas...It's all smoke and mirrors. Tony Blair was raised, I wonder how many people who castigate him now bought into the lie of WMD's. I for one did.
Unfortunately this is clearly a matter that some others "don't care" about or are "totally indifferent" towards and this saddens me.
Yes there are major issues and challenges facing the country that we should be tackling as a united nation.
As to the matter of facts, when have politicians ever presented actual facts when wanting us to agree with their views and agendas...It's all smoke and mirrors. Tony Blair was raised, I wonder how many people who castigate him now bought into the lie of WMD's. I for one did.
Colin_Fraser
PlanetFigure Supporter
I grew up in a house with a Scots dad and English/Welsh mom so I know the two solitudes can indeed get along with mutual respect, the whole exceeding the sum of the parts. From the outside that is how is see both the Scottish and Quebec independence issues.
Colin
Colin
